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Ah so its just an opinion of yours then. Sad. You'd said it'd been scientifically proven so I assumed you had a natural news link at the very least or some other tripe.

 

you are the one who failed to substantiate a claim remember, you delusions are not my problem.

 

you're the one who said your claim was scientifically proven. Your delusions are not my problem.

 

you initially stated we have freewill. yet you provide no evidence. the burden of proof is yours.

 

You said you had scientific proof that we did not in fact have free will. Free will is assumed unless you can prove control of some sort. You said you could. So show me or shut it.

 

you only have one choice, the choice you made. any other outcome is impossible.

 

Yes you cannot change the past. That is not the same thing as not having free will.
At any point before the point of no return (after action is taken in accordance with my will) I could choose any of the possibilities available to me. That's free will.

Now you said you had scientific evidence. Are you going to provide it?

 

no, you have to discover it and not contradict yourself in the process. you cannot prove you would have made any other decision, period. thats why freewill is an illusion.

 

Ah so you don't have scientific proof then and you were fibbing.

 

A simple cartoon illustration is all that is needed to understand the underlying problem in this country; http://www.vagabomb.com/This-Comic-Will-Forever-Change-the-Way-You-Look-at-Privilege/ The problem is, those in control have no interest in fixing the problem. As a matter of fact, they are content making out like the less fortunate are the problem, while society continues the demonization of those who never had a chance to begin with.

 

proof of what?

 

that is capitalism and a win at all costs mentality.

 

for the last time: you claimed it had been scientifically proven that free will did not exist. provide said proof, or shut it

 

Yep! Unfortunately, Capitalism in the beginning, up until today, is not a game everyone is allowed to play, as the cartoon illustrates.

 

Everything in that cartoon happens to white also. I went to those schools.

 

"The ability to make choices that are not controlled by fate or God", is the Merriam Webster definition of free will. In this example, what choices did Paula have; http://www.vagabomb.com/This-Comic-Will-Forever-Change-the-Way-You-Look-at-Privilege/ If you cannot answer the question, then free will did not exist for her.

As a matter of fact, I am 100% positive that free will does not exist, by virtue of the definition itself. Just read the definition. It is telling us that free will does not exist. "The ability to make choices that are not controlled by fate or God". If I or anyone else makes a choice to do anything, the choice made is in the total control of fate and God, if that choice were to succeed. Which means, free will had nothing to do with the success of the particular choice that was decided. So, Esau is right. Free will does not exist, and the definition itself, proves it.

 

Yes, it does. As a matter of fact, with whites being a majority of the population, it probably happens even more. The cartoon is to illustrate when one is born into the poverty/have not situation, how those folks are taken entirely out of the game, only to be demonized throughout their lives for being unfortunate enough to be brought up in that environment. That cartoon illustrates the truth of what is going on in this country, and everyone knows it. And I will show that truth, whenever I can.

 

See her (*)(*)(*)(*)ing off in class instead of reading her text book? See her watching tv instead of studying? See her sitting at her father's bedside instead of studying even when he begs her to study so she can get out? We see exactly nothing about her credit or her spending habits so that's a non starter there. Paula had plenty of choice. Hell she had the choice to join the military to pay for college. She had the choice to sell heroin or cook meth to make ends meet. She could've become a stripper or a prostitute. She could've applied for any of numerous female and minority (and minority female) only internships, job training programs, grants, scholarships etc.
God does not have to interfere with freewill to get accomplished his aims. Omniscient, Omnipotent, Perfect being who is omnibenevolent (since you want to use definitions as proof). As such he knows every factor that goes into any decision or event. Its like counting cards. I don't make the cards pop up the way I want them to, I just know what the cards are going to pop out as because I can do the math and therefore I can plan accordingly.
You're also assuming God exists, facts not in evidence. Same with fate. Etc. The definition proves nothing.

 

Yes your right but it is not something that can't be overcome. Parents setting a good example is the easiest way out but I have 2 nephews who were raised in a heroin and meth house. The parents were (*)(*)(*)(*). One boy joined the military and now he's a higher up at uhaul with a company car. The mother died dad left and the other put himself through college and now does something with computers in Sacramento. Now I know many have been traumatized beyond repair but many more could make it out if they change the way they think. You are what you think you are.

 

The definition proved it made a fool out of you when you used the excuse of going after careers such as drug dealers, strippers, and prostitutes. Your ridiculous rebuttal went beyond expectations as I figured it would. And women in the military? Really? http://www.arlingtonwestsantamonica.org/MST.html One in three are raped! Dude, give it a rest.

 

None of which negates having a choice in all of those things. I love how you left out all the programs just for Paula or Paulas failure to study at multiple points.
You fail

 

Oh yes, I forgot. The schools that are underfunded and the class sizes are to large. But Paula better watch out for even more setbacks. When the Republicans do away with SNAP, it's going to be mighty tough studying without her nutrition. Don't you just love the choices she has, going to school? What a joke.

 

the burden of proof is yours, you claimed we have freewill, i said we didnt. how do i prove a negative. you cant prove it thats why youre deflecting.

 

If we don't have free will, why am I able to choose to post this right now or go running or play tennis or choose to eat breakfast. I'm going to go to a movie later, then my wife's friend is coming over and we'll all hang out. That's just one scenario of my day. It could be many others. Without free will I wouldn't have a choice. There's scientific proof right there.