Impeachment hearings vs law

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  1. PARTIZAN1

    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    The only thing that the Trump outperformed anyone is in the number and stench of his lies.
     
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    No problem whatsoever. I'm just talking about what the OP is saying, trying to imply that the impeachment doesn't match US law regarding sedition. It doesn't have to. That's my point.
    As for the substance, I 100% believe that impeaching Donald Trump (for the 2nd time) was the right thing to do, and I firmly believe that he did commit impeachment-grade offenses.
     
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    Exactly! Trumps lies are like a cancer that started growing in November 2016 or before.
     
  4. PARTIZAN1

    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    Oh I must have glossed over that. Sorry.
     
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    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    What hasn’t?
     
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    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    Yah but that’s true lol
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Donor

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    How so?
     
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    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    Are still pretending Russia didn’t meddle on his behalf?
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Donor

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    No, just holding the goal post in place. What did Trump say that you would consider incitement?
     
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    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    It’s the cumulation of his refusing to concede, attacking states who won’t find votes for him, urging his supporters to intimidate election officials, holding a rally when the fbi had to have told him it would likely get violent...
    I mean it’s not like he didn’t have twitter until recently, he had to know the sort of anger his lies were formenting.
     
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    Its like those living with Trumpmentia bubble don't notice these things.
     
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    Former Prosecutor Reviews ‘Incitement’ Allegations Against Trump, Says Dems Have Big Problems.

    Deranged Nancy Bit The Big One

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    Jeffrey Scott Shapiro, a former assistant attorney general for the District of Columbia from 2007-2009: Trump’s speech doesn’t come close to rising to the level of “incitement” and is protected speech under the Constitution.
    At the Capitol a small minority who entered the perimeter and broke the law. They should be prosecuted.

    George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley has made similar arguments.

    Another elephant in the room that the Democrats and the Fake News media are reluctant to mention is the timeline issue. According to CBS News investigative reporter Catherine Herridge, the first pipe bomb was found at the RNC around 12:45 as Trump was still giving his speech.

    Random rallygoers were just standing around listening to Trump’s speech and then got “incited” enough to leave and then make and plant pipe bombs.

    The “Trump incitement” nonsense argument is falling apart by the minute. Facts don’t care about your feelings.
     
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  13. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Dirty bastard! Thankfully Biden is a beacon of truth and the cure for cancer! :cynic:

    Joe Biden stated
    on October 25, 2020 in a "60 Minutes" interview:
    “I can send every qualified person to a four-year college in their state for $150 billion.”
    :eek: FALSE!

    Joe Biden stated on October 15, 2020 in a town hall:
    “The boilermakers union has endorsed me because I sat down with them and went into great detail with leadership [about] exactly what I would do.”
    :eek: FALSE!

    Joe Biden stated on October 15, 2020 in an ABC town hall:
    "They eliminated the funding for community policing."
    :eek: FALSE!

    Joe Biden stated on October 10, 2020 in a comment to reporters:
    Senate Republicans' move to confirm Judge Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court in an election year is "not constitutional."
    :eek: FALSE!

    Joe Biden stated on October 5, 2020 in an NBC town hall in Miami:
    During the Obama/Biden administration “18,000 people got clemency.”
    :eek: FALSE!

    Joe Biden stated on September 20, 2020 in a speech:
    “The Trump campaign asked that I release the list (of potential Supreme Court nominees) only after (Ruth Bader Ginsburg) passed away.”
    :eek: FALSE!

    Joe Biden stated on September 20, 2020 in a speech in Philadelphia:
    “There's no court session between now and the end of this election.”
    :eek: FALSE!

    Joe Biden stated on September 17, 2020 in a CNN town hall:
    "If the president had done his job, had done his job from the beginning, all the people would still be alive. All the people. I'm not making this up. Just look at the data."
    :eek: FALSE!

    Joe Biden stated on September 9, 2020 in a speech in Warren, Mich.:
    “Military COVID infected: 118,984. Military COVID deaths: 6,114.”
    :eek: FALSE!

    Joe Biden stated on September 2, 2020 in a speech in Wilmington, Del.:
    Says he was the first person to call for invoking the Defense Production Act.
    :eek: FALSE!

    Joe Biden stated on July 22, 2020 in a SEIU roundtable discussion:
    “McDonald’s (makes) you all sign noncompete contracts that you cannot go across town to try to get a job at Burger King.”
    :eek: FALSE!

    Joe Biden stated on July 22, 2020 in a town hall:
    No U.S. presidents elected before Donald Trump were racist.
    :eek: FALSE!

    Joe Biden stated on May 21, 2020 in a video:
    "You weren't allowed to own a cannon during the Revolutionary War as an individual."
    :eek: FALSE!

    Joe Biden stated on May 22, 2020 in an interview on The Breakfast Club radio show:
    “The NAACP has endorsed me every time I've run.”
    :eek: FALSE!

    Joe Biden stated on March 15, 2020 in a debate:
    Because the Federal Reserve recently cut interest rates to near 0%, “the Fed will be of little consequence now. They’ve already used what leverage they have.”
    :eek: FALSE!

    Joe Biden stated on March 3, 2020 in a tweeted video:
    Video shows President Donald Trump saying COVID-19 is Democrats’ “new hoax.”
    :eek: FALSE!

    Joe Biden stated on February 7, 2020 in comments during the New Hampshire presidential primary debate:
    Sanders’ “Medicare for All” plan "would cost more than the entire federal budget that we spend now."
    :eek: FALSE!

    Joe Biden stated on September 12, 2019 in a Democratic debate:
    Says the Obama administration "didn't lock people up in cages."
    :eek: FALSE!

    Joe Biden stated on September 3, 2019 in an NPR interview:
    Referring to the Iraq War, "immediately, the moment it started, I came out against the war at that moment."
    :eek: FALSE!

    Joe Biden stated on August 7, 2019 in a campaign stop in Iowa:
    Says Donald Trump "asserted that immigrants would quote, ‘carve you up with a knife’."
    :eek: FALSE!

    Joe Biden stated on May 1, 2019 in an interview:
    "I was always labeled as one of the most liberal members of the United States Congress."
    :eek: FALSE!

    Joe Biden stated on July 27, 2016 in an appearance on MSNBC:
    Says Donald Trump "is going to go out and carpet bomb" the Middle East.
    :eek: FALSE!

    Joe Biden stated on April 29, 2016 in a speech at the Vatican:
    "In the United States alone we lose more than 3,000 people a day to cancer."
    :eek: FALSE!

    Joe Biden stated on May 8, 2012 in a speech:
    "When we took office, let me remind you, there was virtually no international pressure on Iran."
    :eek: FALSE!

    Joe Biden stated on April 1, 2012 in a “Face the Nation” interview:
    "General Motors is the largest corporation in the world again."
    :eek: FALSE!

    Joe Biden stated on August 30, 2011 in remarks at a campaign fundraiser:
    Says U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan’s budget proposal "eliminates Medicare" in 10 years.
    :eek: FALSE!

    Joe Biden stated on January 17, 2010 in a fundraiser in Florida:
    "As long as I have served . . . This is the first time every single solitary decision has required 60 senators."
    :eek: FALSE!

    Joe Biden stated on December 31, 2007 in a campaign event in Ames, Iowa:
    "John doesn't have a record in the Senate. John's only passed four bills. They're all about post offices."
    :eek: FALSE!

    Joe Biden stated on December 31, 2007 in a campaign event in Ames, Iowa:
    "Barack Obama hasn't passed any (bills)."
    :eek: FALSE!

    Joe Biden stated on November 2, 2007 in statement on Web site:
    "In the 1990s, the Biden Crime Bill added 100,000 cops to America's streets. As a result, murder and violent crime rates went down eight years in a row."
    :eek: FALSE!

    Joe Biden stated on September 26, 2007 in Hanover, N.H.:
    "There are 300,000 babies born deformed every year in this country because of women who are alcoholics while they're carrying those children to term."
    :eek: FALSE!

    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?category=&ruling=false&speaker=joe-biden
     
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  14. Mandelus

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    Oooh ... NICE !!!!

    Here we have someone who wants that someone answers this way by listing all the lies of Trump since 2016???

    O dear ... this will be the longest post ever in this forum and maybe not be possible to do in one post due to max. number of letters per post.!

    Do you really want this? Be aware ... your list will only be fly poop in comparison to the list of lies by Trump!
     
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    To give one example ... remembering Trump's speech in Rose Garden in July last year?
    A bunch proven lies in 1 speech alone!



    Seven examples of lies!

    Lie #01
    The "lowest death rate" lie
    "Millions of lives" have been saved through his corona policy, said Trump. "It could be two to three million people" who would otherwise have died more. Trump did not provide any evidence, nor is there any research that supports this pure claim. The US president claimed also that the US had "almost the lowest death rate."
    On the basis of the available figures, the Johns Hopkins University has compiled a list that is generally recognized worldwide and recognized as a reliable source even by the US government of Trump. According to this, the United States (as of July 2020) is one of the countries with the most corona deaths with 41.71 deaths per 100,000 inhabitants.
    The USA is by far the country with the most corona infections by pure number. Trump justified the high number, as he had for weeks, with the many tests. "If we only had half as many tests, we would only have half as many cases," says Trump. In fact, infections do not go away once they are no longer detected. Rather, tests help track the spread of the virus and thus reduce the number of cases in a more targeted manner. It is true, however, that with fewer tests, fewer cases would appear in the statistics ... but that only makes the statistics implausible! And this hint from Trump certainly has to do with the fact that he, like almost everyone else, justifiably doubts the official figures in China. Just no matter how credible the numbers from China are, this is about the USA and the realities in the USA!


    Lie #02
    The lie of Joe Biden's unemployed son
    Trump claimed Biden's son Hunter did not have a job before he was appointed to the board of directors of Ukrainian gas producer Burisma in 2014. However, Hunter previously worked as a lawyer at Boies Schiller Felxne and as a professor at Georgetown University, CEO of an investment firm he co-founded, and Chairman of the Board of Directors of the United States' World Food Program.
    Conclusion: a total lie from Donald Trump!

    Lie #03
    Zero emissions only in houses without windows
    Trump criticized several proposals made by a working group led by Joe Biden and ex-presidential candidate Bernie Sanders. According to this, all new buildings should achieve "zero" CO2 emissions by 2030. Trump claimed this "basically means no windows". This is not in the least true, because even buildings with a whole series of windows can demonstrably have zero emissions - which means that they produce as much renewable energy as the energy they consume. There are enough such houses for that as evidence existing!

    Lie #04
    Biden wants to abolish the detention of (illegal) immigrants
    Trump claimed the working group had also proposed "abolishing the detention of immigrants". In reality, however, the proposal was to keep fewer immigrants in detention, but not to abolish detention. The program says literally: "We believe that incarceration should be a last resort, not the standard."

    Lie #05
    Trump's wrong polls because of COVID-19 handling
    In light of its own falling polls, Trump claimed that Biden and ex-President Barack Obama received bad "grades" for their handling of the 2009 swine flu pandemic. On the one hand, the popularity of Vice President Biden at the time was not queried by anyone.
    On the other hand, Obama's approval ratings for dealing with the pandemic were significantly higher than the Trump ratings in the corona crisis. Obama achieved due to media source 48 to 57 percent approval in polls in autumn 2009, Trump currently has an average approval rating of 39 to 45 percent only!

    Lie #06
    Postal voting fraud
    Once again, Trump has claimed that there is "enormous fraud" in postal voting ... but again, he cannot substantiate this mere claim with any facts. On the contrary, even if there is a little more fraud in broad elections all over the world than in personal voting, the mechanisms in place in the USA are more than sufficient to keep this drastically low. In general, election fraud is often an issue with Trump and the Republicans ... but, strangely, only when the result is tight or for the Democrats.

    Lie #07
    Favorite topic building the wall
    Of course, Trump's remarks could not be without his favorite topic from the 2016 election campaign: He proudly declared that the wall on the border with Mexico was "almost finished". Even if "almost" is a rather vague term, this formulation is more than an exaggeration. Even according to Trump's own statements, only about half of the wall is finished. He tweeted on Sunday that 240 miles had been built. By the end of the year the wall will be 450 miles long. However, a large part of this border fortification existed long before the start of the construction of the wall! His government announced in June that 216 miles had been built since January 2017. Of this, however, new barriers were only erected over three miles!!! And old fortifications were replaced over 184 miles which were still due to be modernized / replaced, and "additional barriers" were erected on the rest of the route.

    And aside this ... "Mexico will pay for the wall" he told all the time, remembering??? Ehm ... how much did Mexico pay until now? Not a single Cent ... but the US taxpayer all!
     
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    They don't have to because there is no appeal against a Presidential impeachment,.
     
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    I am not bothering reading any of the Bull Schiest you posted. You just wasted your time.
     
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    Both parties feed us nonstop lies - reasonable conclusion - its all trumps fault - hang trump - worship hillary and biden!
     
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    proving grandiose hypocrisy is never a waste of time lol
     
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    Is the US Congress a ship of fools, or a parliament of whores?
     
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    No surprises there. Still nowhere close to incitement. There is no shortage of anger and division on both sides and I believe both sides exploit it. That way they can spend our money while we fight among each other!
     
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    Stop the both sides BS! Never in my lifetime has a losing candidate pulled this BS. Especially not to this extreme.
     
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    And the fourth asterisk.
     
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    We have had 4 years of extreme from both sides. I see it as a distraction and efforts to gain/maintain power. Nothing more. You and I live in a state where the results won't change our lives anyway.
     
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    Trump winning had a major impact on the industry I work in.
     

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