In Eric Garner case, Justice Department declines civil rights charges against New York City police o

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  1. notme

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    That would suggest that you think a cop is allowed to just execute anybody for doing something illegal. And that has been proved to be incorrect. That 1 man appointed by a politician decides not to prosecute, doesn't change a thing. As I noted, currently it is advised that the cop gets fired, while the city has admitted the guild by paying almost 6 million bucks in damages. And you have not even addressed these issues. You only addressed the issue that Garner wasn't killed by the cop. A discussion you lost, since all experts point at the cop as the reason why Garner died.
     
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    It was the free choice of the cop to use an illegal chokehold. The cop knew it was illegal, since he is trained. The cop also denied Garners request to breath, and out of the cops free choice went on choking. Subsequently the cop choices are his own, and his own alone. And subsequently he is responsible for the choices he made out of his own free will.
     
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    Yes he did, he resisted arrest, he posed a threat to the officers
    He used an unrecommended technique, nothing illegal about it, reasonable force in the execution of his duty
    If Garner had wanted to breathe he should have stopped resisting and it had nothing to do with him dying.
    The coroners said this was homicide, not that anyone but Garner was to blame
    Yes we do, the public demands police do things that they do not expect the general public to do so the police must be given special exemption and treated differently.
     
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    They never said that. They decided to not prosecute the cop.

    The city paid almost 6 million in damages, accepting guilt of the crime the cop has made. The cop used an illegal technique of choking a citizen. Experts say that it killed that citizen. These facts did not change since the cop is not being prosecuted. Hence the doors are open to fire the cop. The recommendation is out to do just that.

    That's your opinion. And who cares what your opinion is. That the city offered 5 million, and the family declined, and so the city offered even more, just shows how sure the city was going to lose the case against the family of Garner. It could not hide behind some jury declining the case to start.
     
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    1. Because he did nothing wrong
    2. Nothing illegal, just not a permitted technique, no one is being fired the officer will doubtless go on to have a long and distinguished career
    3. The city should not be such cowards.
     
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    You are responding to the point if the cops feared for their lives. And you're not debunking this.
     
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    The grand jury only decides if a possible crime was committed the District or US attorney decides whether to prosecute IF the grand says yes there is probable cause of a crime.

    Again are you an American? I'd like to know where you are coming from in this discussion it might help me understand your post better.


    The Democrats leadership of the city TOTALLY screwed by prematurely paying a settlement for which there were no grounds. The city counsel DOES NOT determine guilt or innocence of someone charged with a crime.

    Again are you an American? I'd like to know where you are coming from in this discussion it might help me understand your post better.

    It was borne out in the facts, there was no reason to pay a settlement to ANYONE.
     
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    It was the free choice of Garner to submit to the arrest. He choose not to and in fact challenged the police to a physical altercation and the police officers had a duty to take him into custody which at that point required a physical take down. Any choking, which at best only lasted 5 seconds was unintentional and due to Garner's physical resistance to the legal and lawful takedown that was being executed. It was Garner's choice to require a physical takedown and his own serious health issues that caused his death.
     
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    Bottom line.......is it would have never happened if Garner would have just complied with being arrested. He chose to fight, at that point all bets are off.
     
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    The choke hold is wrong. Nobody says it was the right thing to do.
    He probably is going to be fired, because a judge supports this.
    The chokehold being illegal and the experts saying that it caused the death of Garner: the city doesn't stand a chance.
     
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    That proves nothing about the guy being not guilty. No prosecution still is no prosecution.

    The grounds are, that not some scared DA takes the lead, but the family itself. And it's a fact that what the cop did was illegal, and a fact that the medics say that the cop killed Garner.

    I never disclose anything about myself. It only is used to make personal attacks.

    You go argue why the cop used an illegal technique, out of his own free will.
    You go argue why the cop went on with that, even when his victim complained he couldn't breath.
    There is no excuse for it. The cop could have stopped at any time he liked.
     
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    It was intentionally. Nobody was making the cop do that. The cop could have stopped at any given moment.
    And you again dispute what killed Garner,... while it already has been established the cop did it.
    You're just being utterly dishonest.
     
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    Garner didn't kick or hit anybody. You claim of this being some kind of fight, is just lies.
    It was the cops own free choice to choke Garner. And experts say that this killed Garner.
     
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    It was due to Garner struggling and being a HUGE man. He did not even die at the scene where he was breathing and speaking.

    And a posting hint: saying someone is dishonest will get your post deleted and a warning issued.
     
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    And maybe not in your country there is the presumption of innocence. You obviously do not understand our legal system and Constitution.


    It is not a fact the police acted illegally and quite the contrary said the grand jury and Department of Justice.

    Ad the grand jury and DOJ said......nope. There was no excuse for Garner to resist arrest and then challenge the police to a fight and a forced takedown.
     
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    It is of no excuse at all when the cop started with a choke hold. He was trained not to do this. He did it anyways.

    You again are trying to attempt to claim the cop did not kill him, while the experts have established that the cop did kill him. I urge you to end this lying about the death of Garner.
     
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    That the city pays almost 6 million bucks in damages and the cop about to be fired,... tells us a totally different story.
    They aint no experts on why Garner died, buddy. They are hand picked amateurs.
    Garner did not kick of punch anybody. So there is no fight. You're just making it all up.
     
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    He resisted arrest.....nuff said.
     
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    That is of no excuse to go kill somebody by choking him. It never has been.
    Cops have been kicked to jail for shooting such people in their backs.
     
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    He chose to fight knowing his own health conditions. Did he tell the cops he had asthma and a heart condition? He should have or they would assume he was a healthy individual.
     
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    Stop lying. He didn't fight anybody. I told you before, he did not hit or kick anybody. Nothing of the sort.

    That cop still choose out of his own free will to choke him, while he was trained not to.
    There is no excuse for why the cop did htis.
     
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    Resisting arrest constitutes a fight, even if no other physical action is taken.
     
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    It tells a story of a city that was intimidated by the race hustlers when there was no evidence of crime, what don't you get here?

    The EMT witnessed his death from cardiac arrest long after the scuffal had ended and long after he had been talking and breathing.

    ROFL YES THERE WAS A FIGHT as he refused arrest and told them to come and take him down.
     
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    The officer started with an over the shoulder take down as they are trained. Garner resisted and struggled back and being the HUGE man he was the officers are slipped, Garner continued to resist and once on the ground and they had control of him the hold was released, about 5 seconds. He did not did from the choke hold and indeed continued to breath and continued to talk. He died later away from the scene. The grand jury heard ALL the testimony, you did not. The DOJ reviews ALL the evidence, you did not. Your baseless opinion does not trump theirs.
     
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    you're just making up definitions.
     

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