In Eric Garner case, Justice Department declines civil rights charges against New York City police o

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  1. Bluesguy

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    Garner threatened the police, he challenged them to get physical. Guess what? Don't do that. And if you know you have a bad heart and if you know you have asthma ESPECIALLY don't that because you may end up dead.
     
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    Then the statement on the part of yourself is that white individuals are at fault for the illegal activity of members of the black community? It is white individuals who force black individuals to resist arrest, which directly leads them to getting killed for failing to comply with lawful orders?
     
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    So much for claiming he didn't die of asphyxiation. And it was the choice of the cop to go and execute a person who did not pose any threat to anybody. You are blaming the victim like you would blame a woman for being raped.
     
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    Make it the white community are at fault for what it does against the black community in the US. That treating black people differently, as in harsher, at every turn. Nothing is done against this, no plans to correct this, people who are part of it get away with it. It happens nation wide, everywhere. It's cultural, obviously, coming forth a racist past that goes back centuries.
     
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    When the Vitim is atfault
     
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    I don't see you going out to be a police officer. Demanding other people fix it without doing anything yourself is the height of privilege.
     
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    Then if the white community will not fix the problem, the responsibility falls upon the black community to do something about the problem in order to fix it. Something other than going out of its way to engage in illegal activity that warrants law enforcement intervention.
     
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    The victim is at fault at least to some degree in this case. Placing appropriate blame is appropriate.
     
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    So it's the fault of a woman when being raped, that it had to do with the way she dresses?

    White people being unarmed are killed too. Black people are just killed twice as often, %-wise. And the way people support the excess use of force / police brutality.... in this case a illegal technique to kill a person who posed no thread at all,.... is just like the way people support the cops in Ferguson, while it's a fact that the predominantly white police force applied a illegal racist policy against black people to drain them from their money. It does paint the picture, that loads of people in the US have some sick flaws in their minds, when they still support those cops when it has been proved that they are racist thugs with badges.
     
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    Does said female go out of her way to willingly and knowingly put herself in a dangerous situation that will most likely lead to her being sexually assaulted?

    If not, then there is no comparison between the two. The victim of sexual assault committed no crime by selecting their specific attire, while Eric Garner did indeed knowingly and deliberate go out of his way to commit a crime in selling untaxed cigarettes, failing to comply, and resisting arrest.

    Then perhaps they should flee the united states and make a bid for asylum in another country where they will be more welcome. Obviously the united states is simply too unwelcoming and hostile for the black community, so they should follow the example of those fleeing from Central America to make their way to the united states in hopes of a better life. Leave the united states and look for a better life elsewhere. It is good enough for those coming into the united states, let those who actually reside within the united states do the same thing.
     
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    I didn't say the grand jury brought a charge of excessive force. That is a separate issue from the initial claim you made.
     
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    Good on him for selling tax free smokes, that's a valuable service. Bad on him for resisting arrest.
     
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    Absolutely, doesn't matter what offence you're arresting someone for, you just can't let people away with crime because they choose to resist. If they die it's all their own fault, why can't people understand that?
     
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    What does the white community do against the black community exactly except subsidise them? Racism is just what lefties use as an excuse and it is the most insidious poison for the African American community, unless they address their own failings they will never progress.
     
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    He didn't die of asphyxiation, he had a heart attack because he chose resist arrest for a crime he was clearly guilty off, he's no victim, he did this to himself. The fact you'd try to compare him to a rape victim is sickening hypocrisy.
     
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    you wrote "He didn't die of asphyxiation". I responded.
    Bullcrap
    We got 2 coroners who claim that it was.
     
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    It is still of no excuse to go suffocate a person in the middle of the streets, with an illegal technique. What do you not understand that your taxes by the millions are being paid because of this idiot thugs with badges behave like that? And this aint no isolated case either. It is as if you're fine that millions of taxes are spend like this. The freaking insanity.
     
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    At no point was the victim demanding it to be suffocated by an illegal grip. He fought for his life, he couldn't breath. And the cops just went on and killed him. Hence it's all their fault. Hence millions and millions in damages are being paid. Those are millions in taxes. You seem to support the idea that taxes are spend like this by being so supportive from a live execution in the streets against some person who wasn't harming anybody.
     
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    Apparently you think women aren't free and must be chaperoned like in Saudi Arabia, where they also execute people in the streets legally.

    That thug cop went out of his way to knowingly and deliberately chock his victim to death in a way he was trained specifically not to do this. At no point was the cop in any danger. He must have had a good thrill out of killing a minority over virtually nothing with his bare hands. And you must be keen that this is worth millions and millions of tax money.

    Obviously you need to stand up, and call out people for being racist... like the US president.
    That guy is just like Reagan. Them white folks in the US need a cultural change.
    And this is part of it.
     
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    read post 123
     
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    There are 2 coroners who looked at this, and they both disagree with you. You go explain me that one.
     
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    There are places in the united states where one is indeed not free to travel as they see fit after dark, as doing such puts them at a greater risk of great bodily harm or death, either due to being in the wrong neighborhood, or the wrong race.

    Law enforcement officers are obligated to enforce the laws of the united states, such as the law against selling untaxed tobacco-related products.

    Then why are so many foreigners so desperate to enter the united states if it is nothing but a racist culture that will not welcome them?
     
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    Has nothing to do with the concept of blaming the victim of being raped. The blame is completely on the criminal.

    You are not replying to my comment that the thug cop deliberately and knowingly used a banned technique to kill by suffocating a person even when he was told by the victim that it wanted to breath, the thug went on to kill the victim. That is not according to the laws of the US.

    To earn money.
     
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    Which is this particular case was Eric Garner himself, and only himself. Thus the above is an admission on the part of yourself that he knowingly put himself in a position that led to his own death, making it no different than if he deliberately jumped in front of a speeding motor vehicle. That is, assuming he actually could jump.

    Why did Eric Garner not die immediately at the scene?

    Then obviously the united states is not that racist of a culture after all.
     
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    How about you go prove that Eric knew he was going to be choked to death beforehand. Because that is your claim.
    You can not prove that. Hence the blame is completely on the cop who could have stopped at any point with his illegal choke hold.
    At no point was the cop in any danger even.

    There are 2 coroners who both stated that the cop killed him through suffocating him. So that is it. Period.
    I'm not interested in you trying to poke holes in their views as an expert.

    Because people come to make money, doesn't mean the US isn't racist.
     

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