Intelligence on Russian bounty plot was included in the President's Daily Brief earlier this year

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  1. RodB

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    A good military responds to some degree to almost everything. A competent military does not waif for intel to validate information to a level that ought to be briefed to the president, and Trump is all for a competent military.
     
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    So your argument is the military took some steps to "increase the security somewhat" during the war in Afghanistan, and your POTUS is completely unaware of this?

    Question - Was the military informed about WHY they might need to "increase the security somewhat" or was it "just a feeling"

    Of course, the issue is not whether the military responded or how they found out.... This is a political hand grenade....

    I do feel for your position here.... Rock and a Hard Place has never been more applicable..

    Thinking about this last night, I'd go with the never informed lie myself, because the alternative is worse...
     
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  3. struth

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    read this thread...there are a ton of links highlighting that
     
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    Nope. Not a single one.
    There is a link saying NATO was briefed and took it seriously enough to take steps, but nothing supporting your claim that they looked into it and found nothing.

    You made that part up.
     
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  5. struth

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    of course they looked into it...and if you read the link they said it was unverified
     
  6. bx4

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    I read the link, and the link does not say that.

    So that’s at least the third thing in this thread that you have completely made up.
     
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  7. struth

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    yeah it does

    “there is no indication that NATO or non-NATO troops were targeted”
     
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  8. Cubed

    Cubed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hrm. Think of the international community as a city block.

    The previous tenents of the big white House near the end of the block were smart, capable individuals who wasn't perfect by any means (unkept lawn, always shooting off fireworks at the poorer ones so they didn't have to send their kids over to help out as much) but understood their role on the street and how to work within the community

    Then the nice couple moved out and a giant Frat moved in, threw parties till all hours, let the place to to seed, and basically became the joke of the block (though I think they secretly loved the attention, good or bad).

    So, if the top guy in the neighborhood wasn't going to keep up, then homeowners will turn to each other and basically let the big white House do it's thing on its own.

    Yeah, remove their financial obligation to you so now they have to further entrench with your enemy for support. That's a real smart idea :roll:

    Lol. No. That's not how it works.

    If you stop buying from China, then China just continues to sell to everyone else. Are you honestly that obtuse to think that Mexico can just pick up the slack in an instant, or that US companies can just change supply chains on a dime??

    I'm not saying it's not doable, I'm saying you'll crater your economy without a streamlined transition over a period of time. And that period of time is not gonna be pretty.

    The US isn't the international focal point it once was. Other nations have emerged economically, China and Russia are trying to do everything they can to get the world off the US as the petrodollar and every crappy action the US pulls on the international stage inches that goal closer and closer. If it happens, you and probably my country as well will crater.
     
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    That isn’t what you claimed.
     
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    I'm shocked that some of you are just blowing it off about our troops having $ on their heads.

    If it was a hoax, why was the president briefed on the matter as the Press Sec said. If it was a hoax why was it passed along to NATO?

    Intelligence reports are rarely 100% verified. It's why there is a confidence level on these. Obama's attack on Bin Laden had a 40 to 60% confidence that he was there.

    Trump still hasn't mentioned Russia because he's blowing it off and many of you are not looking at the possibility that year reports could be correct. There hasn't been anything to refute these articles.
     
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  11. struth

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    actually it’s much stronger then unverified. they are clear there is no indication that the rumors are true
     
  12. Professor Peabody

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    Of course it doesn't turn on a dime, but Mexico will jump at the chance to fill the gap. Better paying jobs will happen and more folks will want to stay south of the border. It's a win/win for us.
     
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    We have financed each others enemies since Korea. Russia financed the VC when our army was in Vietnam. We financed Bin Laden and the Mujahedeen when the Russian Army was in Afghanistan. Now they are financing the Taliban when our Army is Afghanistan. So bank transfers and cash should come as surprise only to the naive. There is NO proof of any bounty on U.S. soldiers, that part is a left wing fantasy machine made up in a feeble attempt to defeat Trump in November.
     
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    Weird how they figure that louder with more violence will cram their unwanted agenda down our throats, rather than reflection and crafting a desirable agenda.
     
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    So what, even if it is true. American soldiers have always been given special privileges for killing "the other guys". Is this news to you? In Vietnam that was the only "objective". In Irak men were given extra pay or extra leave for achieving their quota or being the first man to kill with a knife.

    For example:
     
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    They say no attacks were attributable to the bounty. That doesn’t mean the bounty wasn’t offered.
     
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    Long term? Yeah probably.

    It's the short and medium term that you'll have to figure out. The supply chains are set up to go to China and back for manufacturing materials.

    Plus, with the new NAFTA, wages are going up in Mexico, which means the per-product cost will be significantly higher then China.

    Ultimately I think it's a good idea, more local control, less reliance on an authoritarian Govt hiding under the guise of Socialism (the Cartels in Mexico would be easily swayed by bribes) but the biggest issue is convincing the average person to pay more for their goods.
     
  18. struth

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    well now you are moving the goal post. either way NATO and our intel community couldn’t verify any of the rumors and didn’t feel it raised to any level worth even mentioning it in a briefing
     
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    This whole story is nothing more than manufactured "fake outrage" in order to impact the elections.

    Some logic:

    1. The President of the US (any President) is only briefed on VERIFIED items or items the pose a GREAT National threat and have a high degree of truth.
    2. The House and Senate Intelligence Committees are briefed on UNVERIFIED items that have a high degree of truth.
    3. The House and Senate Intelligence Committees have just as much authority as Trump does to take action on unverified items through act of Congress.
    4. Neither the House or the Senate Intelligent Committee took any action that we are aware of. I would think that if they did take action, it would have came to light by now.
    5. "Bounty's" does not mean that were endorsed and approved at the highest level of the Government placing the bounty.
    6. If Trump is suppose to be "in bed" with Putin, why would Putin authorize a bounty on US troops? I would seem that act would harm any "bedside" cooperation.
    7. Let's say for a minute that Trump DID know about the bounty's and the House and Senate Intelligence Committees did not. What actions should he have taken? Should he have taken these actions even if the intelligence was not completely verified? Should he take these actions on a whole country if there was no direct link to the top (Putin). Would any actions taken prematurely without solid evidence be an Act of War?
     
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    I am sure we could comb through this thread and find tons of Lefty posts believing the Fake News pushed by CNN, NY Times, WaPo, etc.

    Here is the update... it will get little airtime as opposed to the lies they told about the bounties in the first place.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-intel-walks-back-claim-russians-put-bounties-on-american-troops

    It's from an Ultra-Left Source. I could have used something more moderate, but Lefties need to be hit with their own propaganda sources to change their minds about lies they were previously told.

    Here is a great video on it by Sagaar.



    Turns out this was just more of the Russiagate Hoax that the MSM sold to the "Useful Idiots" during the election cycle. Wow, was it repeated and propagated by the Leftists, even though they only had "anonymous sources".
     
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    and for every time Twitter, FB, Google, et al reposted, or didn't take this misinformation down, long lines of class action litigation should be the recourse of a lied to public that they fomented.
     
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    Really?

    Who EXACTLY are these "Useful Idiots" that you speak of?
    Exactly who are referring to?

    I am unaware of any group of "Useful Idiots". (During the Election Cycle).

    Please elaborate.

    Without specific elaboration of who you are referring to as "useful idiots" your post falls flat.

    I would assume that you would want the intent of your post to be crystal clear.
    (Especially, after NECROing a thread which hadn't been posted in for almost 10 months).

    So, once again, who EXACTLY are you referring to as "Useful Idiots"?
     
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    It's become real clear from the Time Magazine article, the CNN Boss admitting it on video, and stories like this that continuously come up after the election cycle debunking anti-Trump MSM Fake News that Leftists embrace lies during the election cycle, and that the MSM was rigging the information flow along with Big Tech to push propaganda and take Trump out.... it worked. It worked and likely nothing will happen to them, so they will do it again and the dunce crowd will believe whatever lies the MSM comes up with next from their "anonymous sources".
     
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    So?

    You are insinuating that anybody who voted against Trump is part that of the "dunce crowd"?

    That seems like a rather insultung (and untoward) remark to aim at some of your fellow American Voters.:smh:
     
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    "Useful Idiot" is a political term attributed to, but not proven to be from, Lenin. He saw the people that spread his Authoritarian / Communist propaganda in the West to be "Useful Idiots".

    You're welcome. How you didn't already know that is stunning.

    You may also want to read up on Jonathan Gruber regarding Obamacare.
     

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