Interpol and the NRA's VP LaPierre agree

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  1. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    Oh! I don't know - some of those Beef Patties are pretty deadly;)

    But where there are less guns there is less need to go armed
     
  2. DixNickson

    DixNickson Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you can accept the following as an accurate definition of tryanny; "cruel and unfair treatment by people with power over others" http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tyranny , can you consider the power criminals exercise over their victims as tyrannical? I can. No laughing matter for the victim.

    In America (a little history in case you're from elswhere) the Second Amendment is about a defense to tyranny. Exercising one's constitutional rights is an American's choice.

    I do hope you do not carry but why do you feel you are you a danger to people at McDonald's if you have a firearm in your possession? What fears do you have that you believe will put other people at risk of physical harm?
     
  3. DixNickson

    DixNickson Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    OK, but what fault can you find in the options he believes need to be discussed/addressed for the safety of people and society?
     
  4. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    Coming from a society with opposing beliefs - quite a bit actually. There is NO real factual support for the American belief that more guns equals safer population and quite a bit of solid research suggesting the opposite
     
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    DixNickson Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    True on the burgers.

    It depends on who has the gun(s) and who needs the gun(s).

    However. More Guns=Less Crime.
     
  6. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    Oh! Dear

    Please look up the origin of that quote and then look and I mean really look at the so called "research" backing it - but more importantly ask yourself who funded thousands of copies of that book all across the internet

    I don't normally do conspiracy theories but I do believe that capitalists do like to sell their products and in America, where there is a very large and very profitable arms industry, there has been some, well "interesting" advertising initiatives - this was one of them
    http://www.armedwithreason.com/less-guns-less-crime-debunking-the-self-defense-myth/
     
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    DixNickson Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So how would BB solve the terror attack at the mall?
     
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    DixNickson Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Criminals are not looking to engage in situations where they might be at a disadvantage. An armed citizenry is a disadvantage for anyone who might choose to force a member against his will. So an armed society is a polite society.
     
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    How many terror attacks have there been in Australia? Come to that how many mass shootings have there been?
     
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    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    and THAT is yet another !#$@! meme put out by the advertising arm of the armaments industry

    Instead what you actually have is an escalation of violence. How many crime in Australia carry guns? There are some I grant you but as a proportion of the whole there are a LOT less than America - why? Because criminals do not want to get shot
     
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    DixNickson Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You had taken issue with the proposed options cited by Mr. Noble...so how do you solve the circumstance where terrorist/tyrants/criminals gun down innocent people...what is the solution?

    And not wanting to be shot is a good thing for everyone. If criminals pause to wonder if a potential victim is armed that very concern may allow that citizen to live unharmed even if they are not carrying.

    [video=youtube;ROofWOlXEPY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROofWOlXEPY[/video]

    [video=youtube;xZ0obTU4AzM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZ0obTU4AzM[/video]

    and an old favorite

    [video=youtube;EAyJhnrCQFw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAyJhnrCQFw[/video]
     
  12. Bowerbird

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    Don't waste your time - I do not "do" you tube, which I consider to be appreciably lower in truth value than the average TV ad
     
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    You're wrong again.....Robert Heinlein said it “An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.”
    No hardly the meme of a gun maker, but a recognized author....................http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/74109-an-armed-society-is-a-polite-society-manners-are-good.
    So the only people who are pushing for gun control obviously love being rude, wouldn't you agree? Most libs are in the faces of good people, being very very rude

    wrong about that one too http://nij.gov/topics/crime/gun-violence/welcome.htm
    oh, you are so wrong..............
     
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    DixNickson Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you "do" humour? These have a message but the vehicle is humor (plus I'm sure no one was murdered, injured or even insulted during the making of these videos!:) )

    C'mon BB how do you deal with the assault on innocents like the mall where more than sixty people were murdered?

    The world has its bullies and these folks will follow their tyrannical impulses until stopped. With children we can start with reason and then punishment but adults are supposed to be reasonable due to their "level" of maturity. Lacking the countermeasure of a resisting force what can one do to detour tyrannical bullies? I'm sure there are laws on the books internationally and nationally, perhaps more laws stressing the wrongness of these acts will succeed where current and past laws fail? So what would you have done?
     
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    DixNickson Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thanks for the website and history lesson on the quote.
     
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    Okay if you think an armed citizen can stop an armed terrorist group - show me where that has occurred before. Out of ALL the mass shootings world wide - and many in countries with far more armed citizens than the USA - show me where that has occurred where an untrained armed citizen has stopped a mass shooting because at last count there were about four incidents in the USA - the majority of which the persons involved were either off duty police or had had military/police training

    And those were NOT terrorist groups doing the shooting
     
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    What does carrying have to do with being an obsessive coward? I have never been in a car crash, I drive carefully, pay attention to my surroundings and have no intention of getting into a crash. And yet, I wear a seatbelt every time I get behind the wheel. It is a precaution. Just like keeping a fire extinguisher in the kitchen and locking your doors at night. That doesn’t mean you are some paranoid person living in fear of a break-in or your house bursting into flames.

    For most people who carry it is just a bit of insurance. They realize it is highly unlikely they will ever have to use it. But if they ever do, it is there. When it comes to what training requirements there should be or gun control in general, reasonable minds can disagree. But you shouldn’t attempt to assign motivation to those who decide to carry. I and a colleague of mine are alive today because I was carrying. Why should I want to deny someone else for wanting to have that same protection?
     
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    streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetching it, aren't we? a bit over the top? careful, BB, you're taking quite an extremists stance.............With these profound and deep subjects, you still don't prove anything, just that your views are dangerous and uneducated.
     
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    *phews*

    That's a relief. Since the USA has more guns than any other nation, it must have the least crime.
     
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    That makes sense but many people are arguing that where there are less guns (like gun-free zones), there is a need for more guns. They don't back this claim up with any facts other than the 'fact' that school shootings happen in gun free zones.

    I guess they don't remember Kent State.
     
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    A criminal can get at you no matter where you care. Why not carry a gun while you shower, sleep, attend funerals, vote? At some point you have to draw the line when fighting tyranny.

    Also, I'm talking about organized, institutionalized tyranny -- not crime.
     
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    You are duplicitous. You claim to own guns for "target shooting" yet you're against gun ownership. Or is that only for Americans?
    Dude, I'd bet a fiver that you don't own anything more powerful than an empty pointer finger.
     
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    Well, you've moved a bit .....................I got my training during Vietnam.....................so glad I have your seal of approval

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    yo! You have made two opposing statements..................... which one is it?
     
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    another diametrically opposed statements...get on one side of the fence or the other.......what kind of guns do you own?
     
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    Don't put words in my mouth. Just because I don't want people walking around with guns doesn't mean that I dislike target shooting. If I have to give up my guns, I am willing to do it.

    You can believe whatever lie you want.... while calling me "duplicitous" :roll:

    Get your facts straight. My comment above answers your question. Just because I own guns doesn't mean I worship the Second Amendment or carry them around. I'm all for gun-free zones, gun control, round limits, getting rid of 2A.

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    Obviously it's both.
     

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