IQ2US Debate: Global Warming Is Not A Crisis

Robert · Mar 27, 2017

This is a bit different. I want to first explain why and how. Why is that it puts two sides up for discussion. How is at the end there is a vote. If you want to learn the results, simply move the time button right and find out the very end.

So, you will hear science being discussed. Not politics, but science. This is the real deal.

I have not guessed at the ending but believe it will line up with my thinking. That this is no crisis.

Enjoy and let's hit this hard.

Please, debate but only once you have mastered the topic. If you prejudge, you wasted your time and my time. Now I know, i prejudged. But it is a guess. Not a fact.

By the way, you can change your vote when you wish to.

waltky · Jun 21, 2017

Granny says, "Dat's right - we's like a frog inna kettle - we all gonna die...

Record Heat Recorded Worldwide
June 20, 2017 — The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) reports the planet Earth is experiencing another exceptionally warm year with record-breaking temperatures occurring in Europe, the Middle East, North Africa and the United States.

At least 60 people have been killed in the devastating forest fires in central Portugal. The World Meteorological Organization says one of the factors contributing to these run-away wildfires are very high temperatures that have exceeded 40 degrees Celsius. Extremely high temperatures also have been recorded in Spain and in France, which issued an Amber alert, the second highest alert level on Tuesday. WMO reports near record heat is also being reported in California and in the Nevada deserts.

Meteorologists report North Africa and the Middle East are experiencing extremely hot weather with temperatures topping 50 degrees Celsius. But WMO spokeswoman Claire Nullis says the hottest place on Earth appears to be the town of Turbat in southwestern Pakistan, which reported a temperature of 54 degrees Celsius in May. “It seems like this is a new temperature record for Asia. If it is verified, it will equal a record ... which was set in Kuwait last July. So, we will now set up an investigation committee to see if that indeed is a new temperature record for the region,” Nullis said.

A family cools off in a stream during a heat wave, in Islamabad, Pakistan, May 30, 2017. The town of Turbat in southwestern Pakistan reported a temperature of 54 degrees Celsius in May.

WMO Senior Scientist Omar Baddour says the world heat record of 56 degrees Celsius was recorded in Death Valley in the United States in 1913. “It is very difficult to break a world record because it is not easy to have all the conditions in terms of pressure, invasion of air together at one place. So, the concern now is we are close to cross that record. We are now 54. We are not that far.”

The WMO says it expects global heat waves will likely trigger more deadly wildfires. If necessary precautions are not taken, it warns many people will die from the heat, as happened in 2003, when heat waves across Europe killed 70,000 people. Scientists predict climate change will cause heat waves to become more intense, more frequent and longer.

https://www.voanews.com/a/world-temperatures/3908281.html
Click to expand...

See also:

Too Hot to Handle: Study Shows Earth's Killer Heat Worsens
June 19, 2017 | WASHINGTON — Killer heat is getting worse, a new study shows.

Deadly heat waves like the one now broiling the American West are bigger killers than previously thought and they are going to grow more frequent, according to a new comprehensive study of fatal heat conditions. Still, those stretches may be less lethal in the future, as people become accustomed to them. A team of researchers examined 1,949 deadly heat waves from around the world since 1980 to look for trends, define when heat is so severe it kills and forecast the future. They found that nearly one in three people now experience 20 days a year when the heat reaches deadly levels. But the study predicts that up to three in four people worldwide will endure that kind of heat by the end of the century, if global warming continues unabated. “The United States is going to be an oven,” said Camilo Mora of the University of Hawaii, lead author of a study published Monday in the journal Nature Climate Change.

The study comes as much of the U.S. swelters through extended triple-digit heat. Temperatures hit records of 106, 105 and 103 in Santa Rosa, Livermore and San Jose, California on Sunday, as a heat wave was forecast to continue through midweek. In late May, temperatures in Turbat, Pakistan, climbed to about 128 degrees (53.5 degrees Celsius); if confirmed, that could be among the five hottest temperatures reliably measured on Earth, said Jeff Masters, meteorology director of Weather Underground. Last year 22 countries or territories set or tied records for their hottest temperatures on record, said Masters, who wasn't part of the study. So far this year, seven have done so. “This is already bad. We already know it,” Mora said. “The empirical data suggest it's getting much worse.”

Children cooling off at a water fountain during a heat wave in Santiago, Chile.

Mora and colleagues created an interactive global map with past heat waves and computer simulations to determine how much more frequent they will become under different carbon dioxide pollution scenarios. The map shows that under the current pollution projections, the entire eastern United States will have a significant number of killer heat days. Even higher numbers are predicted for the Southeast U.S., much of Central and South America, central Africa, India, Pakistan, much of Asia and Australia. Mora and outside climate scientists said the study and map underestimate past heat waves in many poorer hot areas where record-keeping is weak. It's more accurate when it comes to richer areas like the United States and Europe. If pollution continues as it has, Mora said, by the end of the century the southern United States will have entire summers of what he called lethal heat conditions.

A hotter world doesn't necessarily mean more deaths in all locales, Mora said. That's because he found over time the same blistering conditions _ heat and humidity _ killed fewer people than in the past, mostly because of air conditioning and governments doing a better job keeping people from dying in the heat. So while heat kills and temperatures are rising, people are adapting, though mostly in countries that can afford it. And those that can't afford it are likely to get worse heat in the future. “This work confirms the alarming projections of increasing hot days over coming decades - hot enough to threaten lives on a very large scale,” said Dr. Howard Frumkin, a University of Washington environmental health professor who wasn't part of the study. Mora documented more than 100,000 deaths since 1980, but said there are likely far more because of areas that didn't have good data. Not all of them were caused by man-made climate change. Just one heat wave - in Europe in 2003 - killed more than 70,000 people.

https://www.voanews.com/a/too-hot-to-handle-study-shows-earth-killer-heat-worsens/3907541.html
Click to expand...

reallybigjohnson · Jun 21, 2017

What I do know is that I grew up in the 90s and the entire time I kept hearing about how the CO2 produced by the US alone was more than the world could handle and something needed to be done immediately or we would see massive rises in ocean levels and etc. etc. etc. Fast forward to to day and we have the Paris agreement which allows for not just the US but also the EU and more importantly China which produces as much CO2 as the US and EU combined to keep producing CO2 unfettered until 2030 at which time China will "consider" reducing the rate of emissions of CO2. in 20 years China went from producing only a fraction of what the US did to double what the US does and now we are supposed to sit around for another 13 years.

Either global warming was an existential crisis as I was told throughout the 90s and early 2000s or its not that big of a deal and we can wait another 13 years for the largest polluter to consider their options. This is why so many people no longer believe the hystrionics from the end of the world doom and gloomers.

Log in or Sign up

IQ2US Debate: Global Warming Is Not A Crisis

Is science correct? That there is no crisis?

yes

no

Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

waltky Well-Known Member

reallybigjohnson Banned

Share This Page

Log in or Sign up

IQ2US Debate: Global Warming Is Not A Crisis

Is science correct? That there is no crisis?

yes

no

Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

waltky Well-Known Member

reallybigjohnson Banned

Share This Page

Useful Searches