Iran’s Rouhani warns of greater hardship than war years of 1980s

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  1. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Very true. Climate Emergency and all that. ;)
     
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    EarthSky Well-Known Member

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    Really,

    "Development and codification of international law
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    But the US can just disregard all this and attack whoever it wants?
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You see how your country manages having sanctions imposed on you for decades and now the US Government is so amoral they would not even allow the outside world to help Iran when they were suffering disastrous floods. The US Government hates Iran so much it will not even allow the world to give humanitarian need in an emergency. It was that that I heard American's saying they were shamed to be American's. They pointed out that even Bush arranged for Iran to have emergency aid and plenty of it when it had an
    Earthquake. The current US Government, no humanity.
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Exactly.
    Yes. It's the government who does the painting but the Americans don't seem to notice they are using childish "with us or against us" mentality that is being fed to them and they just repeat it themselves.
    Yes, and then tell us it's not our business! Never mind that Iran is in my hemisphere .... not theirs.
    :above: :nod: :above:
     
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    Nicely summed up!

    It comes from living in a nation that deems itself so powerful that it does not have to be subject to international law or live by international norms of conduct. And it has always been this way. It has just become so much more unstable and dangerous under someone as incompetent and unqualified as Trump.

    The absurdity of the Trump presidency only makes it more obvious to people outside the US that this nations observes no law and will allow no interests other than it's own to exist.

    This was all pointed out in the PNAC and with Bolton, you have a member of that insane line of thought running the race to war with Iran.

    And as with the illegal invasion or Iraq, the press and politicians across the spectrum will cheerlead the blood and destructon (beautiful missiles and all that)- until US kids start coming home in body-bags that is.
     
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    State Dept. has ordered all non-essential American personnel out if Iran.

    This is bad.
     
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    I think Bush Baby Jr. was much worse.
    Is it too late to edit my previous comment?
     
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    Nope. Normally I would agree with you.

    Bad as Bush was, we are in a whole new world of insanity today.

    Wouldn't be surprised to wake up tomorrow to find the war has already started.

    The economic one HAS already started just no shooting yet.

    The supposed damaged tankers reek of false flag...........shooting starts next??
     
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    Sorry, I mispoke. State has ordered all non-essential personnel out of Iraq not Iran.

    Probably they don't have a lot of people in Iran.

    Still, this speakes to fears of a wider ME war with Shia forces outside Iran as well as conflict with Iran itself.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, I heard. It really struck me yesterday that we get the same old lies for what is nothing short of murder - with the difference that people expect Iran to give the US more than it bargained for but here we have a country which has reneged on a deal and then believes it has the right to create a war with the country it has harmed. That the US can blatantly make up lies and go in killing civilian men, women and children including committing war crimes while saying the opposite of what it is doing - like bringing democracy to Venezuela when it is doing a regime change after elections which were monitored and found to be more free and fair than the US's own just describes the total insanity of those with power. Merkel was apparently saying Europe has to draw back from Russia, China and the US, times have changed. Iran says the reality that though it is obvious that Europe does want to keep the deal going it cannot stand up to the US, just shows that Europe is a very small puppet of the US...but I suspect this is ending. The US can never in the foreseeable future be trusted in any deals.....and you know though more obvious I do not think this is anything new. It is how I can always remember the UK thinking of the US until 9/11. I think Carter got it right. The US is the most warlike nation in the history of the world. It can never get enough.
     
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    Yep!

    The UN is a toothless entity and its rulings are ignored by those who have the power. Deal with it.
     
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    So, Iranians are saying "Death to America" in every place and time possible. But cowardly translate it to English as "down with America" as if it sounds any better. And now that America does a little bit of action against them, they are suffering and feeling like they are going to die from it? It's a very simple choice actually. They just have to decide if they want America and the Western world, in general, be their friends or enemies. If they see America as an enemy they must be willing to take the price.
     
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    Yep. Apparently the US has found evidence of an imminent attack on the US embassy in Iraq. Now wait for the false flag attack probably carried out by Saudi Arabia or Israel paying and arming Sunni Daesh members to carry out an attack
     
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    I've already heard reports that the type of mines used to hit the tankers were typical of Israeli intelligence and that the Iranians would probably have used missiles if they were serious.

    What possible benefit would Iran get out of a strategically useless act like this other than to get itself bombed.

    Reeks of a false flag. More to come?
     
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    I have to agree... classic Netanyahu playbook
     
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    Spoken like a true ideologue scoffing at international law in order to justify war.

    Have you ever thought that the UN is toothless because the US just ignores it and does what ever it wants to whoever it wants.

    Like pulling out of the international criminal court - US thinks it is above the law.
     
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    The international court thinks it is above US law.

    Is that whay you're saying?
     
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    Economic sanctions cause untold suffering?
    What ever happened to self-sufficiency?
    Maybe they were stupid enough to follow all the advice of the globalists.
     
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    I am still staggering from the arrest of Julian Assange and my government's decision to reopen the sham charges against him. War with Iran will have me in the streets shouting threats.
    That's a relief. I can get back to my morning coffee now. :coffeecup:
     
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    Actually, yes. When you connect all the dots that's what is left: Murder. Mass murder, in fact.
     
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    What a spin! Try putting it all into reality. Your chronological order sucks.
     
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    Well not the US. We live in a Global economy which it was at the forefront in creating.
     
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    To go to war on lies particularly when you are massively the more strong militarily is nothing but an attempt at mass murder. That we have not been seeing this is amazing.
     
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    That's right.
    Who is "we"? I saw it. You saw it. Germany, Sweden, and every nation that did not back the U.S. in its' lie and invasion saw it. The U.S. did not have the approval of the U.N. and that means that the VAST MAJORITY of nations "saw it" was a lie and illegal. We knew there were no WMD's in Irak because the inspection team did their job and said there were no WMD's..
     
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    Facts ...


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