Iran’s Rouhani warns of greater hardship than war years of 1980s

The Middle East is not all about Israel. The war in Syria has nothing to do with Palestinians recognizing or not recognizing Israel.

Recognition is all good and nice, but absolutely not enough. If they want their own state, they must accept Jewish minority. There is no reason in the world that Jews should be forbidden from living in the land they call Judea and Samaria. The very word "Jew" has been derived from the name of this place.

Not everyone believes in this. The majority of Israelis agree with the two states solution. Which simply means they are not opposed to it. But off course there are alternatives to this plan.

 

Alexa, Do you have a link showing that Arafat and the PLO acknowledged Israel's right to exist? I find it hard to believe that they ever did so.

 

Google search "Arafat acknowledges Israel right to exist" and you'll see many links.

And this article highlights the hypocrisy of Israel:
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-when-will-you-recognize-us-1.5333475
How Many Times Must the Palestinians Recognize Israel?

 

Only when speaking to the western media. When speaking in Arabic to their followers they call for jihad.

 

"We will never recognize the Jewishness of the state of Israel." Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas in a speech to the Arab League, January, 2014.

 

I never knew that everyone in Israel is Jewish

 

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/israel-palestinian-letters-of-mutual-recognition-september-1993

and Arafat had already done this is 1988. Good discussion on it here

https://www.quora.com/Does-the-PLO-officially-recognise-Israels-right-to-exist

 

The Palestinian Authority has done Israel's dirty work for it since the Oslo accords. That is what they were for - to give Israel more time to get 'feet on the ground' and so claim it was its. Hamas correctly worked out that Israel was not serious about 2 States and so did not give up violence. The Palestinian Authority running the West Bank however did. This has resulted in Israel taking over more and more of it and its resources so that its intent now is to annex 62% of the West Bank and leave the Palestinians with little separated Islands and no rights or state till Israel can completely one way or another get rid of them.

However it gets worse. The EU at the time fulfilling its obligations to try and get the situation resolved into two states hired someone who used to work for MI6 to work with Hamas and see if there was somewhere where they were up to talks and resolving the situation. He discovered that Hamas's position on not recognising Israel was because Israel had never recognised the right of a Palestinian State. He was a top conflict negotiator having previously worked both in Northern Ireland and in Afghanistan. Talks worked well with Hamas and he felt they would soon be ready to join talks on the final resolution of two states. He managed to get them to agree to a cease fire. Israel broke that cease fire killing several Hamas. It should be noted that it is almost always Israel who breaks the cease fire. This time like in other times, they ignored Israel's attack and only blamed Hamas for its attack. The reality that Israel broke the cease fire killing members of Hamas was forgotten.

Clearly it was very frightening for Israel and her Christian Zionist friends in the US that it looked like Hamas would accept a two state solution with Israel behind 67 lines. In order to make sure this did not happen Bush got Blair to convince the German's and from them the EU to remove the MI6 worker, stop all talks with Hamas, declare Hamas a terrorist group (similar to Al Qaeda rather that people fighting against having their country taken over by European Colonisers) and leave Israel to do what she wanted. Leave Israel to use her world class army against civilians, leave Israel to assassinate Palestinians with impunity, leave Israel to build more prisons to put Palestinian Political activists in without trial and basically leave Israel to do whatever she wanted with a helpless people. They apparently excused this by saying that eventually demography would result in Israel agreeing on 2 states which of course never happened.

https://www.lrb.co.uk/v33/n05/alastair-crooke/permanent-temporariness

It is one of the most shameful actions the west has perpetrated. Bush and Blair should be taken to the ICC for their leadership in this travesty of justice and massive loss of Palestinian lives particularly children as well as the continued imprisonment of the Palestinian people without rights.

 

Oh Please are you trying to tell me you have no knowledge of A Clean Break written after the Assassination of Rabin to make sure there would be no two state solution and Israel would destroy her Middle East countries rather than trying to come to a just peace. A plan put in action after 9/11. I will tell you something. The only people who gained from 9/11 were Zionists and they gained massively at the cost of Muslim lives and the end of Western Liberal Democracy with its humane stance on human rights.

written 30th June 2015

Full report
https://original.antiwar.com/dan_sanchez/2015/06/29/clean-break-to-dirty-wars/

Oh the destruction of the Middle East and the drawing of the US into these dirty wars is all about Israel, all for Israel and all designed by Israel and neo cons in the US. This is what destroyed Western Liberal Democracies. This is what has destroyed the International laws brought in after WW2 with particular thought to Jews who suffered so tremendously. This is what has brought the West back to the mentality which allowed it led by Israel with the US following urged on by the Neocons and Christian Right.

 

My last sentence above should have read

must have been getting tired!

 

For some reason I could not link to my post directly below the post that the link pointed to

Considering that the US regards Iran as its main enemy of course the US state Department would say that. Iran's government says that the US are the World's leading terrorist nation in the world so that must be true too? There is much more evidence that Iran is correct than the US is correct

The US government still considers the tiny nation of Cuba as a huge evil bogeyman which must be a joke!

 

Maybe more information will help.
https://jinsa.org/iran-still-a-state-sponsor-of-terrorism-and-growing-bolder/

And

It seems to me the designation by the state department is well founded.

I guess if the Iranian government could publish US officials claiming credit for terrorism around the world and could show evidence of funding of terrorism by the US they might have more credibility. But the Iranians are kind of in your position. All the available evidence goes against their claims.

On Cuba you apparently don’t know why they are on the list. This may help.

https://2017-2021.state.gov/u-s-ann...ba-as-a-state-sponsor-of-terrorism/index.html

 

Already addressed in the threads I quoted. And once again you are quoting a US spokesman, what a surprise that a partizan US guy agrees with the US Foreign Policy. In summary, a conflict wit the one country of Israel is not enough to name Iran as the "world's leading terrorist supporting country". And secondly, the US provides many more times the support financially and militarily to Israel compared to Iran's support of Hisbullah or Hamas. And the US has bombed and terrorised various countries every year since the 1950s over the whole world.

Which Iranian official has claimed credit for carrying out "terrorism"; translated exact words containing the word terrorism please. Iran has carried out the same actions as the US but to a much smaller scale

Oh, I did know those claims. Extremely weak! Much the same as the US did to the UK regarding the IRA but the US carried out their acts to a much bigger scale and thousands of British people died due to IRA terrorism funded predominantly by NORAID with money collected openly on the streets of US cities. And here are a couple of IRA members being given safe refuge in the US:
U.S. COURT BLOCKS I.R.A. EXTRADITION
https://www.nytimes.com/1992/01/13/world/us-court-blocks-ira-extradition.html

 

All I’ve seen in your links is evidence some attacks blamed on Iran weren’t sponsored by Iran. I think we should blame who’s responsible but the fact some attacks aren’t Iranian backed doesn’t make the ones that are backed by them go away.

Oh. You didn’t read the link. Iran sponsors terror in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, and Yemen—not just against Israel. And I beg of you to quote the US Government calling for annihilation of any people group or country. You do understand not all military operations are terrorism, right? You do understand military operations are not “sponsored” or proxies, right? Where are the US backed hijackings and civilian targeted bombings? Where is the US funding indiscriminate rocket attacks on civilians? Where are the statements by the US government on support for ethnic cleansing? Even operations like Linebacker 2 were not targeting civilians.

The leadership of both the Palestinian organizations and Iran openly talk about funding. Even Iranian citizens are critical of how the money is spent.

I’m sorry but terrorism isn’t terrorism only if the terrorist calls it terrorism. I think your definition of terrorism is flawed. Yes, the US has caused collateral damage. At the same time they are dumping money into the same countries to HELP the citizens, not wipe them from the face of the earth. Your attempts at moral equivalency between Iran and the US are not logical. The US does not engage in the same actions as Iranian funded and supplied groups.

Funny stuff. Iranians and Palestinians aren’t terrorists but the IRA is. What exactly is terrorism to you?

I can’t read your paywalled link so I’m not sure how to compare the extradition cases. As far as Irish Americans funding the IRA, that’s not state sponsored terrorism. If you have a link to something I don’t have to subscribe to I'd like more information on IRA extradition.

 

This thread is about Iran.
Not about Israel and not about the so called Palestinians.
Why every time the pro Islamo Jihado Arabos in this respected forum divert the subject ?

 

The US carry out the same actions as Iran but to a much bigger scale and much more worldwide. But when the US do it you call it "collateral damage". Hypocrisy in display!

And playing on your words "The leadership of both the Israeli organizations and US openly talk about funding. Even US citizens are critical of how the money is spent."

The US government allowed open collections in the streets of New York and Boston which was used to finance IRA bombings in the UK Here are the results of some of the IRA bombs:









And I have personally experienced the IRA terrorism financed by the US. As a 7 year old at a lego competition in a department store when a IRA warning came through that there was a bomb in the store and we all had to flee hoping it was a hoax call. Another time as an 8 year old at a guildhall jumble sale another call received through the IRA dedicated number that there was a bomb in this building too and again we all had to evacuate hoping that this was also a terrorist hoax and not a real bomb. This is the definition of terrorism; hoping that we can get out in time and not be one of the victims in the above photos.

 

I’m no fan of terrorism or most military action these days. I am a fan of legos. They were a favorite of mine. But the fact remains the US does not sponsor indiscriminate bombings, hijackings, and rocket attacks on civilians. It just doesn’t happen. The US does not sponsor IRA bombings.