Iran Is Ripe for Regime Change

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  1. Wehrwolfen

    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Iran Is Ripe for Regime Change


    By Amil Imani
    July 10, 2018

    It is hard to believe that four decades has passed since the Islamic Revolution was forced upon the Iranian people and their freedom disappeared. Under the rule of these adherents of death, everything in Iran is deteriorating while Iran’s religious government is strong and has a great deal of control on everything. Too much control without independent checks and balances encourages corruption, nepotism and inefficiencies. As a result, the bulk of the nation’s wealth flows to a few select individuals.
    This is a wake-up call for Iran’s authorities and the international community. Although denied by many through the past four decades, Iran is literally a political, social and economic time bomb closing in on a colossal detonation.
    ~Snip~
    Time has arrived to end the Mullahs’ reign of terror. We Iranians and Iranian-Americans -- in spirit free people of the world -- greatly cherish individual liberty and freedom, where the mind is imbued with enlightenment, and every individual by virtue of being born human is afforded measured freedom. It is within the open expanse of liberty that each and every person can be at his or her best. And when the individual person is at his best, humanity is as well.

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    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/07/iran_is_ripe_for_regime_change.html

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    The author may suggest that America go to war with Iran... I however, believe that the opportunity is long passed. I do however suggest that we (U.S.) choose a group that will promise to create a non-secular Democratic government and support them. I personally know Iranians in America that would jump at the chance to support and return to if it were a free nation.
    What matters, at least to Americans who were born after 1978 is that they see people on the streets of Iran who are crying out for freedom and being slaughtered by their oppressive gov't. The freedoms we have here in the United States and other nations that the people choose their leaders and live a life the best they can according to their abilities.
    We support that for the people of Iran. It's their country, it's their government, it's their decision how they want it to be and how they live their lives. That's what matters and supporting the Iranian people achieve that is what the United States should be doing. .
     
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    But but but we should have stayed in the Iran deal so the people who wanted to destroy America could stay in powerrrrr.
     
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    Who should have stayed in Iran?
     
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    The US attempt to "support the Iranian people" is what ended with their revolution.

    Which model of US "support for the people" do you like best:

    - Afghanistan?
    - Iraq?
    - Libya?
    - Syria?

    Today, we have essentially no State Department and as a result we have no capacity to form a lasting policy.

    And, once we wind up our military and turn it loose, I just don't see anything positive that could possibly result.
     
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    If but only....
     
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    Surely, you speak of the former administration.

    Afghanistan --- Obama increased the numbers of American troops yet gave back more land to the Taliban and got more Solders KIA than Iraq by his onerous 'Rules of Engagment'
    Iraq --- where Obama abandoned the country whereupon ISIS was formed Syria and Iraq invaded by ISIS trained by Obama's CIA and supplied with the weapons captured in Libya.
    Libya --- A March 27, 2011, intelligence brief [archived here] on Libya, sent by long time close adviser to the Clintons and Hillary’s unofficial intelligence gatherer, Sidney Blumenthal, contains clear evidence of war crimes on the part of NATO-backed rebels. Obama aided the Libyan “rebels”, even though there are allegations that 1,000 of them are Al Qaeda radicals
    Syria --- After the overthrow and assassination of Omar Gaddafi in Libya, Obama ordered the shipments of the weapons captured in Libya shipped to Syria and sent to CIA "rebels" that were al Qaeda turned ISIS.
    http://www.businessinsider.com/obam...ending-heavy-weapons-to-syrian-rebels-2012-12

    ISIS is nearly destroyed and Syria's Assad may soon be deposed. BTW would you like to know why Obama began the warring in Syria?
     
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    Yes, Obama struggled with the cluster of our military action in Afghanistan, Iraq and the overflow into Syria.

    Yes, imho Libya was a big mistake that came in part because we were getting ready to watch tens of thousands of civilians get slaughtered, and we knew we could do something about it.

    It still stands as an example of how our military is NOT a complete solution.

    I don't respect or understand your desperate efforts to turn this discussion into a partisan BS session.
     
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    Get over the stupid regime changes already. We are still recover the stupidity of Bush and his Iraq war.
     
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    Democrats like the regime they have now. They are working with their globalist allies to prop it up. I think they were waiting for Iran to wipe Israel off the map like they promised before they did anything about them.
     
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    Pretty idiotic things to say by shifting the topic. Why does righties alway wants to start stupid useless wars that go nowhere??
     
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    for a culture that has no qualms about killing and martyring, they sure are afraid of standing up against their government.

    freedom isn't free. breaks some eggs.
     
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    Why do Democrats fly pallets of cash to people who chant death to America death to Israel?
     
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    You should think about that.

    After all, when the result doesn't match your premise, it just might be that your premise is a steaming pile!
     
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    I guess that makes sense to somebody
     
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    On the contrary, your referral of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria including your remark "Today, we have essentially no State Department and as a result we have no capacity to form a lasting policy", required a response. The question I didn't ask when I responded was where was Obama and our State Department during the first uprising of the Iranian people. Meanwhile, the Trump State Dept. appears to be accomplishing more than previous presidents and their appointees to represent our government to foreign nations. Tillerson didn't seem up to the job, while Pompeo has been going great guns.
    BTW, I specifically didn't mention the use of military intervention in Iran's unrest. It's totally up to the people but it's up to the people of Iran to find their own destiny. However, like the French did for us more than 250 years ago, perhaps there's assistance of the non-military type we can to an approved group.
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    Serious whataboutism. Start your own thread about it if you want. Israel need to learn to defend itself. I find it funny how righties tell our other allies to cough up money to support NATO, but don't bat an eye about sending billions of taxpayers' dollars to Israel.
     
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    I think it's funny how the collectivist claim to support Israel with one hand while they sell Israel out to their enemies with the other.

    It's like how they say they want a secure border with one hand while they do everything and everything to destroy the border and enable illegal aliens with the other.
     
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    This make zero sense whatsoever.
     
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    First Israel is not part of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. I don't see you complaining about you asking Palestinians, Egypt, Jordan, or Iraq to cough up any bucks. Meanwhile the primary defense of NATO nations has been the good Ole USA. Germany for example according to the NATO agreement is required to maintain it's forces and contribute 2% of its GDP to NATO.
    Of 28 member nations of NATO only 5 nations meet their commitments of contributing.
    "Since the campaign, he’s argued that other countries aren't contributing what they should for the defense alliance. NATO members are urged to contribute 2 percent of their GDP to defense spending. Germany pays 1.2 percent; the United States kicks in more than 3 percent. Four other countries — Greece, Estonia, Poland and Britain — also meet their obligation"
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    And yet it was the left that bombed over 7 other countries during their administration, resided and supported (if not perpetrated by the previous administration) the Arab spring and have done more to escalate the cold war with Russia since Kennedy.
     
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    Don't you know the causes of the Arab Spring?
     
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    A war with Iran would be terrific for the USA and Iranian people. I'm afraid that war with Iran will radicalize back Iran. The USA lost too many young people for absolutely no concrete results in Iraq, and probably the situation was worsened.
    Spare the life of american people, their life is precious, especially that a war will kill a lot of young conservative because the army is mostly composed of young conservative, it will serve both the interest of the left and jihadists.
    Young Conservative Lives Matters !

    The regime of the Mollah will eventually fall, I have no doubt of that. The situation in Tunisia improved a lot, and in Morroco is slowly improving. A war, for instance the civil algerian war, had always worsened the situation of a country and favour dictators.
     
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    @Wehrwolfen The USA don't need to help Iran in a military way, you already did by hosting Iranian political refugees.
     
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    I do, and I also know the cause of the Iranian revolution that brought the Shah into power.
     
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    The part I liked best about the original article was this: "It is hard to believe that four decades has passed since the Islamic Revolution was forced upon the Iranian people and their freedom disappeared."

    I don't find it hard to believe that four decades have passed since the mullahs took over, but what made me laugh was that the Islamic revolution was 'forced upon the Iranian people', and that as a result the freedom they enjoyed under the Shah (who truly was forced upon them) disappeared. The Shah's rule truly was a lesser evil to the mullahs', but please, let's not call it freedom.

    Iranians lost the freedom they were beginning to get when the US overthrew their Prime Minister in 1953. I hope young Iranian democrats can forgive and forget -- they seem to have done this. Their liberal-minded elders certainly didn't. We could have had at least a good chance at a pro-American Muslim democracy in the Middle East, for the price of buying off the British, who desperately needed the oil revenues that Mossadegh was threatening.

    As for intervening there ... don't give the Iranian democrats the kiss of death. There are a hundred ways to support democratic movements in despotisms besides openly doing it via your government.
     
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