Iranian Regime Cracks Down As Protesters Wreak Havoc Across The Country

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    Evil Ayatullas bastards !! Blahhhhhh
     
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    Iran rises up: Can the mullahs be toppled? | To the point
     
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    Inshallahhhh
     
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    Another martyr:
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    Is this starting to resemble Romania in 1989:
     
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    It might be closer than we thought:
     
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    In my opinion, the most important issue right now ( besides Ukraine ) is the mini revolution in Islamic Iran.
    Riots, desire for freedom, arrests, mass killings ( over 200 civilians murdered ), beatings and torture.
    We should all strengthen and support the Persian people against the tyrannical and despicable Ayatullas region.
     
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    The security forces couldn't have done a worse thing:
     
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    Is the regime coming apart:
     
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    No.
    The evil Ayatullas will crush the Persians.
     
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    16 Year old innocent girl was murdered today in her school by Iran's police.
     
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    Apparently some of the security forces are being worn down by the demonstrations:
     
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    Do you think she was under duress:
     
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    Elnaz Rekabi age 33 ... i don't think she will reach 34 :disbelief:
     
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    Oops, I Did It Again:
     
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    How do we "strengthen & support," them? Already, Iran's President has claimed that it is the U.S. and Israel who have been behind these protests. Ridiculous as that may sound, I can practically guarantee you, we would find people on this forum, who believe that (and/or who will say it).

    Of course, as you say, this is potentially a hugely important story.
     
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    I have tried to stay clear of this thread but let me chime in with my views:

    1- Iranian society, much like some other places, has become too polarized for my liking. Such polarization is not healthy.

    2- The hijab protests touch on an issue that reverberate among many young and not so young Iranians. Up to 50% or more of Iran's population as a whole can be regarded as being opposed to the hijab rules but that figure is much higher in certain places and among certain substrata in Iranian society (people who Iran has invested the most in rearing and training, e.g., students, professional classes etc). Those hijab/morality police rules require substantial reforms.

    3- These protests are also fueled by economic issues and uncertainties that again disproportionately affect Iran's younger generation, resulting in a feeling of despair and hopelessness in many. However, while sanctions and international pressures on Iran play the biggest role in some of the economic uncertainty I refer go, the class of people most seriously hurt by US sanctions are Iran's working poor. Most of the latter do not sympathize with these protests, which unlike the protests a couple years ago, are mostly supported by Iran's middle class and youth.

    4- Foreign actors (US, Israel, EU) most definitely play a major role in trying to pure fuel on the fire and by supporting and subsidizing programs and groups which try very hard to not only keep the protests going but would like to see them expanded. Those efforts have seen a plethora of lies about the events taking place being given credence and credibility. But the most dangerous activities relate to efforts by the Israelis in particular to have arms smuggled by terrorist groups into various regions in Iran to try to achieve their agenda of throwing Iran in turmoil to tear it apart. Iran has responded vigorously and forcefully on this front, while otherwise being actually understandably appeasing and soft towards non-violent expressions of dissent on the hijab/morality police issue.

    5- These protests will not bring down the regime which still has majority (and definitely plurality) support, but the polarization I mentioned above (encouraged by exiled groups and emigres outside as well as foreign governments) means that there will remain festering wounds that cannot be resolved through the ordinary processes of consensus building. And that isn't good for Iran's future.
     
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    Up to now it's been only young women whose deaths have gotten all the publicity:
     
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    Well I'm going to start offering articles, so that we can all, who are interested, get better educated on the situation, from various perspectives. I am going to start with this one, in The Guardian, because it does not try to predict what will happen, but quotes a number of Iranians, with differing views. Mainly, though, this article does a good job of explaining how the initiating incident arose, and how we got here. And it is not a very long article.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...sts-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-irans-regime


    The article begins by describing a recent interview session, in the U.S., with Ebrahim Raisi, Iran's President.
    <Snip>
    Raisi’s minders were reluctant to take questions about the protests, but when he agreed, he became fiercely animated about western double standards and spoke so loudly that the words of the mild-mannered translator became hard to discern through the headphones. No final determination had been made into Amini’s death, but preliminary evidence showed a stroke or heart failure was the cause, he said. He cited statistics that 81 women had been killed in the UK in a six-month period. “How many times each day in the US are men and women killed every day at the hands of law enforcement personnel?”
    <End>

    Raisi had previously blamed the U.S. and Israel, for being behind these protests, in which
    185 have died.

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    Nazanin Boniadi, a British-Iranian actor and Amnesty International ambassador, takes the view that something new has emerged on the streets of Iran.

    “Never in my 14 years working on human rights advocacy have I witnessed such disillusionment with, and opposition to, the Islamic Republic regime,” she said. “While Iran has become accustomed to mass protests every decade, neither the student protests of 1999 nor the green movement of 2009, or even more recently the November 2019 protests, compare in fervour or magnitude to the current protests.”...

    "The most unprecedented part is that the protests have been female-led,” she said. “The movement’s slogan ‘Women, life and freedom’ is antithetical to the Islamic Republic, which has built itself on being anti-woman, pro-martyrdom and repressive. This uprising is not just about draconian dress codes. The compulsory hijab has simply become a symbol of a wider Iranian women’s struggle.”

    Kasra Aarabi, Iran analyst at the Institute for Global Change, described the mood in the country as revolutionary. “The people that speak to me believe they are in the middle of a revolution and will not back down. One way or another this is the beginning of the end of the regime. This is not about reform. This is about regime change.”

    Others are more cautious. Dr Sanam Vakil, from the Chatham House thinktank, said the protests had revealed a huge divide in attitudes to the theocratic system.

    “The sheer force, velocity and audacity of this spontaneous movement have left the regime close to losing control,” she said. “But they have a playbook to quash protests that has worked in the past and they are now using that playbook.”

    Vakil senses Iran is still nervous about the optics of being seen to beat up women and children. The ubiquitous mobile phone and social media act as constraints on the security forces.

    <End>

    Some additional facts, are the suppression of dissent, a la Putin, with mandatory jail sentences for anyone who publicly objects to the new hijab policy. Also, the targeting & arrest of journalists who have broken these stories (again, like Russia, but also it seems Israel may not be beyond killing Palestinian journalists-- my own editorializing). There have reportedly been MASS arrests.


    This crisis is the result of crack downs by the hard line religious conservatives gaining control. Take a good look America-- we're the next one to give the keys to our government to regressives, who want to turn back the clock, as did the Brits, and look how swimmingly it's working out for them-- here is another vision of the type of government we have to look forward to.
     
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    I'm inclined to think international protests won't affect the regime:
     
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    No, they're definitely going to dig in, on this one; it's not like the nations which most forcefully push for human rights issues, are buds of the Ayatollah, or the current Iranian government. So what do they have, to lose?
     
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    Do they mean the International Court of Justice in the Hague:
     
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    As if the government doesn't have enough to deal with:
     
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    The issue is no longer on the agenda in the news.
    The Persian people are suffering and it will continue for a long time unfortunately
     
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