Iraq to vote on bill banning US military presence

and lives.

 

It depends on what you mean by terrorists? If it's the original meaning of the term, and you are referring to those who terrorize and behead innocent people such as ISIS and Al Nusra, then it's no. Iran is not working with them - we are.

If on the other hand you mean the militia Hezbollah that Iran supports, and that Washington designated a terrorist group so they can be treated as terrorists, then by Washington's terms you would be right.

Washington though is not the only one that has taken international law into its own hands. Erdogan has also designated the Syrian Kurds as a terrorist group for the same reason, and Poroshenko has designated the freedom fighters in Ukraine as terrorists for the same reason as well.

 

According to the US now, the Revolutionary Guards are terrorists. Iran cannot support its own military.

 

Alexa - Do you think that the American troops will leave if the bill in Iraq is passed - as it probably will? I don't!

It's a desperate attempt by Iraq to save itself. If there is a war with Iran, Iraq is where it will be fought. They know they will never be able to recover from it.

I forgot about that. The difference would be that the Iranians can be tortured and killed as terrorists, rather than be treated as soldiers.

Putin and Lavrov have their work cut out for them with this one. Let's see if Washington can be held off, but for how long before all hell breaks loose.

 

It all has Bolton's hand writing all over it again.

 

If Obama hadn't taken the stance he took we would be fighting for about the 5th time in Fallujah while the Iraqi army was on the beach in lawn chairs.

 

Why don't you ask the Iraqi government? They're the only ones with the right to decide who stays in their country.

By the way, your claim that "Iranian forces" are "working with terrorists in Iraq" is just empty propaganda with no firm basis in fact or evidence. My recommendation to you would be to stop watching so much Fox News and CNN. They're lying to you about almost everything.

 

Well I was somewhat naive. Given that the country is not the USA, I assumed if they were told to leave they would but straight away American's told me probably not!

Do you think? I can see that if the US attacked from Iraq, Iran would need to fight back there though I haven't seen anything of Iran wanting to harm Iraq. I did read someone saying as you say that another war will destroy Iraq. The US admin sadly will not care, they do not see the Iraq people as humans.

I did not know that. The US military industrial complex is as bad as ISIS. They are two of the same both of them regressing worse and worse. I thought this was just being rude. I did not realise it was a deliberate ploy to avoid the rules of war. The ICC should see to that. That being said I think Iran then called the US military the same. I thought they were just exchanging insults. Instead it looks like if this goes to war there will be no prisoners. This may be something the US regrets,

A few bombs people say would be a waste of time, simple result in Iran absolutely certainly having the best nukes it can in the shortest possible time. People are saying the US would need 1 million for an invasion and that means the draft. Those suggesting this suggest the only way they are going to get the draft is if they produce the most heinous false flag. Something truly horrific which will make American's think they must fight back. Even then when you have enlisted you are generally dealing with people from a poorer background. The draft is not popular particularly with those with a bob or two but if they attack Iran with a ground invasion this will almost certainly be the war as Sanders said, to teach everyone what perpetual war is all about. One which the children of those who first fight will be fighting after...I would not believe it was possible to do this because there is no real reason. Unfortunately however they are extremist Christian Zionists and they seem to believe God wants them to do this for Israel. Of course the Saud's want it too but I do not think the US would do it for the Saud's. I wonder if Bolton really knows what he is taking on. Armageddon maybe?

 

al-Maliki had told US officials privately that he could go for an executive agreement for US troops but he couldn't put a SOFA up in Parliament because he didn't have the votes. The Obama administration said no thanks to the executive agreement and scrammed figuring, "What's the worst that could happen?"

 

It might be too much to ask you to become informed on the subject.

 

The joys of globalization...

 

THIS, that there was an actual executive agreement between Iraq and the US in the post SOFA era I admit I didn't know. That's why I was asking the question.

 

Are you clueless? The US president does not control NATO!

 

Why do I even bother?

 

Our Founding Fathers never discussed NATO for reasons that should be quite obvious.

 

If what you have posted was derived from the BBC it was incorrect. That's what I'm reacting to. To claim that the US does not care about the lives of its soldiers is ridiculous.

 

Interesting that you dont think of a group that fires rockets into cities as a terrorist group.

 

You can't be bothered because you have no response. Obama abandoned the only democratic muslim government in the ME. That's a fact.

 

I'm claiming that it would have been if Obama had not pulled the security forces out of Iraq in 2011. The lessons of history are there for those interested.

 

The Sunni's were removed from power following the defeat of Iraq by the US military. But years later the Iraqi Sunni's participated in the surge and again in the constitutional republic set up with the help of the US government. The held positions in the legislature, judicial, and military. In fact most of the competent generals were Sunni. It was only when Obama abandoned Iraq to the Iranian Shia influence that they were removed from power. And that is why the ISIS forces were able to steam roll the Iraqi army and gain significant territory in northern Iraq.

 

Oh golly gee williwinkers.

 

But he could have agreed to extend the SOFA as part of his executive authority if the US represented by Biden had offered enough US troops to stay. Obama kept whittling down the number. It should have been ~ 25,000 but Obama kept reducing the number to a few thousand at which point Maliki refused to stick his neck out for such a small force and refused to cooperate. Obama made the worst foreign policy mistake since Neville Chamberlain.

 

Thanks for making my point again.

 

ISIS would not have happened if Obama hadn't made the stupidest or most corrupt foreign policy decision since Neville Chamberlain.

 

No, but they gave the choice to go to war to the Congress, not the President. They conferred upon the President the authority to conduct wars that Congress made the decision to engage. The intent of the Founders was that the People, through their representatives in Congress, would make the decision to go to war.