IRS Hiring Spree Is The Biggest Expansion Of The Police State In American History

How about both?

 

I was unaware of the IRS was suffering this great problem of shortage of agents.

 

Well, tax returns keep getting delayed longer, and people cheating the system likely fall through the cracks because of overworked staff.

I couldn't say whether they need 87,000 more agents, but I believe that anything that guarantees individuals and businesses pay what they owe is a good thing.

I'm also totally in favor of more security personnel in our schools, so I don't view this as an either/or situation. Lets do both, even if it isn't at the 87,000 mark.

 

I don't go into any meeting armed.

If Trump had done this, the left would have gone ballistic.

 

It all depends on the actual reason they need them. Anyone should have a deep bristling mistrust, of government growing that big.

Wasn't there something about Biden wanting to make any Bank transaction over $600 something the IRS looked at?

 

For starters, the 80000 is over ten years. Second, not all IRS personnel are agents. There are different job categories ranging from submission processing clerks to customer service representatives to IT personnel to human resources to revenue agents, revenue officers, and even special agents, the accountants with the guns.

That being said, the staff at the IRS has been stripped severely and the agency is having a hard time handling the mission they are assigned to.

No one likes to pay taxes, but it is a must if you want to keep the military functioning, basic roads functioning, and other government services you take for granted.

https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2...ently-delayed-due-irs-staff-shortages/366580/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/04/irs-tax-backlog-hiring/

 

IRS is law enforcement. It is regulatory enforcement of the Tax Code. And personally, I think every federal employee should be allowed to conceal carry while on the job to deal with stupid arse people who think it is okay to shoot anyone they disagree with, like what you and modern conservatives want to do.

1. That would be addressed in the next omnibus budget.
2. Don't you want every American citizen to have the right to be armed no matter where they are or who they are? Or is the 2a only for "true patriotic Americans" and not Democrats, which is a vilation of the 15th amendment.
.3. The person who shoots the federal employee unproved should be punished under the fullest extent of the law. But then again, people have been murdered for a lot less
4. You will be surprised by the political demographics of the Federal workforce and specifically with the IRS. The issue is that you cannot talk or use politics while on the job. It is strongly discouraged from the top on down and depending on the year, may be a violation of the Hatch Act.
5. That statistic cannot be proven. For starters, there is the regular pay and the locality adjustment, depending on where the person lives. Then you have night time differential, holiday differential, Sunday differential, and availability differential, which can add to the pay. Pay can range from $30000 to over $150000. The $150000 can be GS 15 employees and upper-middle management within the IRS.
6. If you want to file a paper return, then the processing is taking way too long, especially for amended returns. This is important because if you are obtaining a significant, secured loan, a home loan or equity loan, or any other business or personal transaction that requires the financial institution to utilize your tax return data, yes, it is important and can be time-consuming. Furthermore, the customer service area needs help. Try calling them and see where that leads you. Depending on the day and time you call, you will get a busy signal, call back later or be on hold for an hour or two. This drives tax professionals, like CPAs nuts.
7. Not at all. Louis Lerner was head of the TE/GE Division while the 87000 would be the grunts.

 

let’s not forget that the last time Joe was VP they targeted conservative groups now they want to make them bigger the next time Joe shows up to the Whitehouse. How is it possible for conservatives to trust this move when they were once weaponized against conservative groups?

 

That would be a great idea, but how would they get the revenue to pay for 87000 more government employees for any purpose? Hiring these IRS agents is the equivalent of hiring sales reps. In order to keep their jobs they will have to find ways to find money to pay themselves with. I would imagine there will be a bonus plan; the more people they can brow beat into giving the IRS more money the more bonuses they will earn. That's called incentives.

 

You obviously think a lot less of the people than I do- and a lot more of a government rife with corruption.
It would seem your fundamental picture of this relationship and the duties of both side is seriously flawed.

To make it simple-
The government does not own the people- the people own the government.
The mission of the government is to serve the people- to maintain a safe and orderly environment which gives people the opportunity to thrive.
You, and in recent years an increasing number of people in office have decided they should own us.
Then, they becomes predators; parasites, devouring your money, your freedom, your rights- everything that makes the pursuit of happiness possible.

Are you sure you are OK with that?

 

WTH, I never made the argument "the government does not own people." There are necessary functions of the government that needs to be managed, maintained, etc One of those is the IRS and tax collection. This is a labor-intensive job and there is no algorithm that will make things automatic. That being said, as the tax rates go down, more and more people skirt the code. Is that fair to the honest people? Or do you wanht those that skirt the code because they agree with your political ideology?

Second, the mission of the government is to serve and protect the US Constitution and to carry the mission given to them by Congress, signed by the President of the United States. That is the mission of any and every federal agency. They have a job, sometimes it a job that needs to be done, like a search warrant in Mar A Lago, etc, or auditing someone who is not following the rules. You also need to learn what the IRS does and does not do. As far as I can tell, you have no clue how government works, much less business, based on your numerous posts on such topics. Not to mention the law, the code, and everything else.

 

Law and order means: only when it suits repubs interests.

But it should mean: not spreading false information aiming at igniting the mobs.

 

Your usual paranoia, based on hearsay and prejudice.

 

What's this IRS freak out all about? Are they secretly coming for your guns and the Illegal workers and servants?

 

Hold it. Your position makes that argument, you don't have to state it.
This was once said pretty well by Thomas Jefferson: "When the government fears the people- there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."

I don't know how much experience you have with the legal system or the IRS, but the ordinary law-abiding tax-paying citizen has good reason to fear and distrust both.
The various obligations, pledges and statements of ethics are meaningless if they are not enforced and followed- and they are not; they are frequently abused, often very seriously. When the people who make the rules don't obey their own rules- there are no rules. The conduct of government controls how the people will perceive the validity of rules and law- and most people will play the game fair, IF they see that the rules are fair, and being applied fairly. That IS NOT the case today. Never has been fully, but it is worse than ever. The "Mission" is not being followed. I don't see how you could have been on the planet over the last few years and not know that.

I have the advantage of being old- and having long experience here. 50 years+ in business. Imagine an audit, where a fire has destroyed the records for the time being audited- and the IRS auditor says that if you don't have proof of what you paid for the merchandise you sold, the revenue you received must be all profit. Imagine trying to recover money from a crook in court, and the judge sits through the whole trial- then tells you he can't decide, and the litigants will have to figure it out between themselves. I've been in both places and many more, where the "protections" of law were worthless. Government is not expected to be flawless, but it's damn sure not expected to be abusive, and it very often is. IF government worked, actually functioned as it is supposed to- how do you explain the condition this nation is in?

The concept of our government and constitution are probably the best in the world. It is the execution of the plan that is the source of problems. Government must be able to maintain itself to high ethical standards- not window dressing.

We have a good system that is in the hands of too many unscrupulous people- people who act without honor, pretending they do. Let's fix it.

 

There's no way to show something to those who don't want to see it.
No cure for that kind of blindness. No rational behind your position either.

 

That's why we're saying it's stupid to defund the police and hire 87,000 IRS agents.

 

They don't pay taxes, so they don't care.

 

Questionable source, but that's par for the course, for you.

Leave to partisan hackery for yet another round of beyond-the-pale hysterics, as if a few hundred additional staff to an already over burdened IRS equals 'police state' when that addition doesn't amount to over 1/1,000,000th of the total size of the government.

Hysterics is a generous term.

 

The Inflation Reduction Act, a landmark climate, health care and tax package that passed the Senate on Sunday and is expected to head to Biden’s desk after the House approves it on Friday, includes roughly $78 billion for the IRS to be phased in over 10 years. A Treasury Department report from May 2021 estimated that such an investment would enable the agency to hire roughly 87,000 employees by 2031. But most of those hires would not be Internal Revenue agents, and wouldn’t be new positions.

According to a Treasury Department official, the funds would cover a wide range of positions including IT technicians and taxpayer services support staff, as well as experienced auditors who would be largely tasked with cracking down on corporate and high-income tax evaders.

https://time.com/6204928/irs-87000-agents-factcheck-biden/

 

OMG, very generous.

 

I personaly would like to see more tax cheats caught and made to pay their taxes. In effect that would lower the taxes of those citizens who follow the rules and pay their taxes because it would supply more revenue and less need for increased taxes.
It is estimated that one trillion dollars each year is lost to people that cheat on their taxes. It would be nice to get some of that money back.

 

That's ironic...lol

 

It won't lower taxes for anyone. Besides, define "tax cheat". Everyone can make a mistake. The tax code is 44,000 pages. Nobody can know all of that information.

 

Sooo, are IRS agents going to repel from black helos and come down the chimney's looking for you cadre of weapons? Is it going to be night ops or broad daylight and at 9AM like the Maralago search and seizure?