Is a Unified Theory of Modern World Problems even possible?

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Can... the world's biggest problems all be addressed by money?

  1. Yes... wise King Solomon did say so.

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  2. No.... no mere human being could ever come up with something like that.

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  3. Yes..... love is all we really need.

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  4. No..... money is the root of all evil.

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  5. Yes...... "my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge."

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  6. No...... people with a UFTMWP become mass murderers.

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  7. Yes..... the being of light of NDE fame has predicted real peace is coming.

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  8. No..... this world is to be destroyed... then some of us go to heaven.

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  9. Yes.... and a true UFTMWP begins in Jerusalem.

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  10. Yes... and even the aliens with UFO Tech will assist!

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  1. Taxpayer

    Taxpayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Money is just an IOU, a promise of something yet to be named in exchange for a solution already delivered. You can't solve any problem with money alone.

    You need someone who has a solution to your problem and is willing to solve it. Money is just how you might compensate him if he chooses to solve your problem.



     
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    Actually....most people kinda are!

    AboveAlpha...p.s....Eat, Sleep, Sex, Drink, Fight, Fart, Bathroom, Entertainment, Workout or Not...etc.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Very few people have even the tiniest understanding of reality.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    If you like Rawls you'll at least appreciate Nozick's criticism, if not agree with it. Liberal egalitarians don't feel they're violating rights by implementing distributive justice, but their ideas require continual violation of the property rights they have themselves assigned. The first thing anyone is going to do with their redistributed income is group together to voluntarily give it to talented individuals. Talent cannot pass the veil of ignorance test, so they are required to not even let you have the pittance they've assigned you in the name of equality of opportunity.

    Interesting topic though, good that you've stumbled upon it.

    http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/rawls/

    http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/nozick-political/
     
  4. lonelyp

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    No way,
    To many of the problems we face today are caused by 2000 +/- year old fairy tales and the people who believe them
     
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    No they're not. Individuals are easier to understand as individuals than to understand some rule that applies to them all. But take just one - sex is complicated. Most people want sex and I'll skip over the obvious complication that some choose not to, and some don't even want to. For those who want to and engage in it, it isn't just sex that they want - for most. Some really want ravenous, meaningless sex. Some don't even want to have sex with a gorgeous person if there is no emotional connection. Some prefer wildly different kinds of foreplay.

    Eating is also complicated. It not that we just need to eat, we want pleasure out or it, and only some food is pleasurable - but what food is pleasurable for me may not be for you. I love a thick clam chowder - most people don't. I like peanut butter and banana smoothies - some people will die if they eat it. I like my steak rare - most people who even like steak think it's disgusting if it's as rare as I like it.

    We want to be happy sure - but what makes us happy varies, so like I say, humans are complicated.
     
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    My point is that regardless of eating or sexual habits everyone needs and does such things.

    Thus you control the ability of any human group to get food or water....you control them.

    AboveAlpha
     
  7. DennisTate

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    True....... and the real backing for the USA or Canadian dollar is the productive capability of Americans and Canadians.......

    I have read that volunteerism in some form..... depending on how we define it … is over twenty percent of the North American economy......… I am convinced that the introduction of a "Volunteerism Hour" in some form could play a significant role in better organizing..... and significantly increasing volunteerism................. The groups of people who tend to engage in more charitable work than average could accomplish a lot if they organized somewhat better.......

    http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...ations-should-print-their-own-currencies.html

    Large churches in democratic nations should print their own currencies.



    www.CalgaryDollars.ca/
    is a good example of how several dozen socially active residents of an area can begin what amounts to a second tier to the economy.

    The Ithaca Hour is an excellent example of a similar concept being applied in the United States.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ithaca_Hours

    Most North American churches have a desire to assist the poor and the oppressed. Well….. in 2014 efforts by a group of socially active Christians could easily transform dozens of homeless people into actors….. who are playing the role of homeless people….. and the specific efforts to help them could becomes scenes in a series of documentary and reality films designed to give the homeless people a job that finances their getting an apartment or at least a group home.

    Most of us are unaware of the Worgl, Austria local currency experiment that was conducted during the Great Depression and how successfully it was copied in hundreds of communities in the USA. As a matter of fact…… it looks like what these communities accomplished played a significant role in inspiring the USA government to alter the monetary system in many positive ways.

    http://www.whatcomwatch.org/php/WW_open.php?id=717

    City in Austria Printed Local Currency ...…

    ......
     
  8. DennisTate

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    I may be wrong.... but my rather firm belief at this time is that all seven billion of us are volunteer stars in something like a reality film...… produced by an astonishingly high number of intelligent beings existing in higher and higher dimensions of space - time.

    My belief........ is that we are going to be astonished how much attention is actually focused on us and how important even some of the small decisions that we make really are.........… Our freedom to make mistakes and learn from those mistakes....... and take those mistakes and use them to encourage and even inspire others later on once we learn....... is also of far far far far more value than we would imagine?!

    ..........

    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html#a06
     
  9. DennisTate

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    Yes........ but it is amazing how our world view can be altered even by the possibility that these words may have been uttered by Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus to his disciples??????!

    http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...-teach-same-things-rabbi-nachman-breslov.html

    Did Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua teach the same things as Rabbi Nachman of Breslov?



    For many years I have suspected that near death experience accounts and such phenomena as past life regression under hypnosis had the potential to greatly decrease discord between many religious groups. In December of 2012 I read a book that presents a powerful case that Rabbi Jesus may actually have taught his followers essentially all the same things that Rabbi Nachman of Breslov believed and taught!

    Here is what he writes regarding what he saw Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua state in one of his lectures to his disciples:

    Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D. page 117,118, "The Thomas Book, Near Death and a Quest for Another Gospel by the Twin Brother of Jesus".......

    All of this began with a near death experience in 1966:

    http://www.thomastwin.com/3 A Autobio.html
     
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    But isn't it interesting how high a percentage of people who remember their near death experience/ out of body experience.... who remember the "life review" get asked a question along the line of........"What did you do with your life that you can show me?"

    We also have an extremely deep desire to accomplish something significant with our time... and with our lives...… and we seem to want to do something that is basically altruistic!

    By the way.... thank you for mentioning that one of my other polls was poorly done....... I think this one turned out a lot better....... I just answered this one yesterday and chose all the Yes's.... because that is where I am at....... Multiple choice polls are an intriguing invention indeed!
     
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    But..... an extremely high percentage of us want lots and lots of money...… in order to purchase food that we enjoy and attract playmates?!

    King Solomon....... had the twelve tribes of Israel frantically producing some of the wonders of the ancient world....... by motivating people through money.........…

    ..... Apparently one of his errors was a high rate of taxation..... partly to finance...…

     
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    Dennis....knowing what I know....reality is much more complex than anyone can imagine....and at the same time it all breaks down to one simple equation....that eludes us.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    In a way....... I am fairly certain that that simple question has to do with the nature of our own "over soul" as former Atheist and near death experiencer Mellen Benedict termed it.

    AboveAlpha....... Sir.......... I have a theory in mind that centers around YOU...… and how YOU....... with my help....... can so alter the future of the United States..... and soon the entire world....... that by the time you pass on from four dimensional space time you will be in a state of awe........ and you will laugh a lot more?!

    I am convinced that you will be able to understand my conclusion that our lives........ here in four dimensional space time....... have major advantages over the highest heaven..... as it has been reported by some Christian visionaries and near death experiencers.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=436824&page=8&p=1065702542#post1065702542

     
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    This is so seriously heavy!!!!!

    I wonder if our realizing the gravity of our situation could inspire us to cooperate more?

    There is some guy named Anonymous.... who has done a good job of explaining how desperate our situation really is:

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/108413109365671/permalink/456778674529111/
    EWAO.... (Earth We Are One)



    Dude..... talk about synchronicity?????...... Look at the post number of that message to EWAO?! It ends with .....9111?!
     
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    But....... we all love money...… we all want more of it........ and the majority of us can see how and why discussion of a project to LOWER ocean levels by one foot/ thirty centimeters........ could perhaps unite a billion or more of us around the need for better central banking policy that is needed to finance what really needs to be done?!

    Here in Canada the onset of WWII inspired a major improvement in central banking policy by P. M. Mackenzie King in 1940....... President Lincoln also improved on the American system in order to finance the Civil War.

    The probable results of rising ocean levels could also force us to unite around a workable solution.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...t-work-fast-enough-address-wais-collapse.html

    A carbon tax will NOT work fast enough to address WAIS collapse.



    A tax on carbon will take centuries to address the real issues associated with the impending collapse of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet!
     
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    i think everything stems from income inequality.
     
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    Most complicated problems cannot be solved by simple solutions. No one thing will fix all the world's problems since there are so many different causes for these problems. Most solutions will require money since money does equate to power, but some solutions are going to require a change in our thinking.
     
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    Extremely well said DarkDaimon!

    You are absolutely correct....... a shift in the way that we view money and an increase in the evaluation of virtually every company in America........ will not necessarily stop the proverbial "Sword of Damocles" from falling on us!

    We must also have some sort of genuine spiritual awakening where the majority of us come to the place where we place a deeper value on our own lives.... the lives of our wives and husbands and parents and children and friends....... and family members..... and even of our friends at work and on our street or in our community!
     
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    It certainly is one relatively important issue that does cause a high percentage of us a lot of problems!

    But...… I can honestly say that I would prefer to be me..... with my wife.... and my children..... and my friends....... and my family..... than to BE either Donald Trump or Bill Gates or Brad Pitt..... or
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Hemsworth

    ...… no matter who he happens to be married to!

    So.. the fact that all of these men make a lot more money than I do.......... doesn't bother me even one little bit!
     
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    While world problems may exist, eventually, they won't be able to be solves with money alone. See, money is all relative considering that most of our money is electronic and the other vast majority is printed on paper that has no intrinsic value other than what we claim it to be. As such, after a while, the value of money may not necessarily imply more stuff or fixed problems. Think of it this way, if we only have 1 barrel of oil left in the world, and you have 75% of the world's money at your disposal, all that money wont be able to buy you 2 barrels of oil. So, while today money = value = goods because we have enough stuff, this may not be the case in the future. If we were on the brink of an apocalyptic world, money won't solve our problems, you cant just pay to fix climate change. You cant pay for countries to get richer. Most people think they can, but just taking the money we have and siphoning some of it into Zimbabwe wont improve their standard of living. Even if every person in the country had 1 million dollars, it wouldn't make the country richer. Just like how the US is in debt over several trillion dollars and is still considered a rich country. The US has less actual money than any African country, but they are still considered richer than African countries. As such, money does not imply solved problems.
     
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    Quite well said!

    This is an exceptionally good analysis of the big picture in spite of the fact that I suspect from your Avatar...… that you and I are rather far apart on many questions.

    Yes........... during the time of President Lincoln there was rather high inflation...… but what else could possibly happen if you take such a huge percentage of your most productive workers away from producing consumer goods and get them to shoot cannons and muskets and rifles at each other?!

    An increase in the supply of money to pay the soldiers...… done at the same time that there is a massive decrease in the supply of consumer goods going into the economy.... will of course create inflation/ devaluation of the dollar?!

    You obviously know your USA history though.... and I am curious....... from your research is the following statistic basically accurate?

    http://www.politicalforum.com/econo...our-billion-dollars-how-can-we-do-2013-a.html

    President Lincoln saved taxpayers four billion dollars...how can we do this in 2013?



    I was given a copy of this article in 1994.

    After reading this article those lectures from Economics 101, 212 and Economic History sure took on a whole new level of importance.

    http://www.michaeljournal.org/lincolnkennedy.htm
    Melvin Sickler:

    From your research can you refute or verify this number of four billion dollars?

    Here is a harder question...… do you happen to know what they meant by four billion dollars?

    Do they mean in 1972 dollars..... or in 1870's dollars????

    I personally cannot answer this last question.... I must admit that I would be impressed if you could!
     
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    uhm its not really that you need to be rich its that money should be more equal. I mean that will solve xenopobia. if you earn more money you will be kinder to illegals because there are enouhg jobs to go around. You will be more likely to help causes across the world because you have more money and are more comfortable. Even crime because you would see your life going somewhere.
     
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    I agree, but I'd point out that revolution doesn't just stem from poverty.

    For example, the major issue in Iraq and Syria is the disenfranchisement of portions of the population that are simply too large. In Syria, the Assad government has opposed Syrian Sunnis, which are 75% of the population. In Iraq, we chose Maliki to lead the country, and the reason was how well he helped the US in driving Sunnis out of government and out of public sector jobs.

    In Egypt, there were growing numbers of even college graduates who were without employment, and the government was simply failing and had resorted to repression to remain in office - thus revolution.

    In Palestine and Gaza, the people may be poor, but the real issue is abject repression. In West Bank, Palestinian citizens are ruled by Israel military law in which they have no voice and are undergoing ethnic cleansing, losing their property to Israelis who simply steal it. In Gaza, the people live under a strict blockade (an act of war) that was enacted as punishment and prevents such things as fishing their waters, EXPORTING goods, buying electricity, allowing kids to leave for college, etc.


    Each of these are known to fully qualify as reasons human beings revolt.

    On the other hand, we have many people living in northern Africa and the ME in what we would recognize as serious poverty conditions (although not starvation conditions) who are not revolting.


    I fully agree with your climate concern. One of the reasons for the mess in Syria is that the many years drought caused millions to move into cities where the Assad regime simply could not deal with that influx. That was an opening for insurgents.
     
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    But have you read what some 96% of respondents to a poll felt should be done to Alawite Muslims?

    http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...ghts-96-arabs-want-genocide-all-alawites.html

    Why Assad Fights - 96% Arabs Want Genocide Of All Alawites


     
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    Sure. Assad is Alawite, and he's slaughtering civilians. It's no surprise that he's hated by pretty much everybody except Iran and Russia - which both have a whole lot to gain in this.

    I'm not sure what you wanted me to say. Did you think I was going to say we should slaughter Alawites?
     

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