Is America a democracy? I dont think so.

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    As long as you say conservative majority you are seriously delusional, and that delusion makes you very difficult to pay any real attention to.

    And which President was it that passed the greatest Welfare Reform that ever was in 1996? Which one put aside his own healthcare plan to try and pass YOURS in 2010 and you STILL wouldn't go along with it?
     
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    Clinton actually talked the language of liberalism but governed to the corporate wing of the Democratic Party and brought in very harsh conservative measures that were disastrous in many ways. Think "tough on crime," welfare reform," and the repeal of Glass/Steagall which freed up bankers from regulation brought in after the great depression and led directly to the 2018 crisis.

    Nothing has changed from 2018 either except the repeal of yet another flaccid bill by Republican's that might have checked fraud in the financialization and banking sectors.
     
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    Technically you do have universal suffrage along with voter suppression, usually of minorities, and gerrymandering which constitute "irregularities" if applied to other countries besides your own.

    Of more concern is the type of candidates the two-party system puts into the ring and whose interests those candidates serve.
     
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    We are not a democracy....but with that said, I'm glad to read the poll that says some Dems are finally coming around to the idea that the United States is special. We appreciate that.
     
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    How is welfare reform tough? You actually support multiple generations of families on the government tit?
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    No, that would be a direct democracy. Nonexistent in the world of nations
     
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    Democracy of any type, made up hybrid, fabricated as whatever gibberish you like or will claim next, is nonexistent as a contemporary, central governing form of any country, and for good reason. It cannot provide a stable, sustainable government.

    The semantic weaseling of the gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-trial lawyer-MSM Complex parasites, other collectivists, progressives, outright Marxists and socialists, crit theorists, et.al, in trying to save their lie narrative of the U.S. as a form of "Democracy" towards undermining the relative stability and rule of law of the Constitutional Republic is being undone rapidly by the greater awareness the net allows as against the prior Complex information hegemony. I don't blame you and yours for not liking that, the lie was constructed and perpetuated over decades after all and at great effort, but there's not a thing you can do about it other than carp. Sorry bout that.
     
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  8. EarthSky

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    You subsidize and support corporations and the wealthiest in society on the government tit too only it's costs a hell of a lot more than lifting people out of poverty. Generally business and wealthy individuals put a lot of their excess income into tax dodges or off-shore shelters or dividends to the shareholder class.

    Even if your fallacy was correct, giving people money to support themselves at a reasonable living standard stimulates the economy by allowing them to buy goods and services. Even if they spend it on booze, the local liquor store gets revenue.

    Austerity chokes the economy because the less income people have they less they are going to be able to buy the crap that companies put out in goods and services.
     
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    No, it's not just based on a title.

    But the Founders spoke eloquently and firmly about the dangers of Democracy and why we are not a democracy.

    Too bad so few people comprehend their points.
     
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    We may be now, thanks to the people allowing our core tenets to be corrupted; but we were never intended to be.
     
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    By deliberate, careful design.
     
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    The USA is not a democracy.
    I'm going to guess you meant 'show me'

    What fairy tale book did you pull that from?[/QUOTE]
    I didn't say Switzerland gives guns to all their citizens. If you're going to
    quote me at least read before embarrassing yourself.

    At any rate, no fairy tale books for me.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Switzerland
     
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    Correct. What I heard was many years ago.
    All citizens should be allowed to pick up arms whether the army is dormant
    or not.
     
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    I didn't say Switzerland gives guns to all their citizens. If you're going to
    quote me at least read before embarrassing yourself.

    At any rate, no fairy tale books for me.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Switzerland[/QUOTE]

    As I thought, the Swiss do not give out weapons to their citizens as you 've claimed.
     
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    People have every right to their own money, to do with as they see fit. Not tied up in taxes that do nothing BUT choke private sector investment. These corporations are the ones that provide the jobs in the first place1
     
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    So again I ask, how do you define it? What particular definition do you use/operate with
    when describing the term democracy?
    And can you give a specific example of something that is democratic and or a democracy?
    Thanks,

    -Meta[/QUOTE]
    I don't have an opinion of what a democracy and a representative republic are.
    I do have definitions, which is what should be used whenever possible. Opinions
    can mislead.

    Definition of democracy
    a government by the people especially: rule of the majority

    Definition of a representative republic
    a government of laws created by a legislature, enforced by the judicial and
    overseen by the executive house.

    If the US was a democracy then Bill Clinton's wife would be president. We
    have a wonderful electoral college that prevents huge states from electing
    the president and ignoring the entire nation. Ergo, the USA is not a democracy.
     
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    You are not thinking very well. "Founders"? What's that got to do with it. You are doing exactly as I said, ie. basing reality (false reality) on titles. The Soviet Union (particularly Stalin) were proud and celebrated the USSR's anti-Fascist government. Does that not tell you anything? And here you sit in the U.S. boasting of being "Leader of Democracy" and "Leader of the Free World" yet America's level of Democracy is so low that it comes on the list of "Flawed Democracy" ....... and America's freedom doesn't come close to the freedom we enjoy in western Europe. So we are back to titles again. Now I understand you want (rightly) to point out a gap in being a full-fledged Democracy and I have to agree that you (the U.S.) are not. But there is a quick-change of goalpost shifting going on that doesn't excuse you.
     
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    More of the thoughts bouncing around in that head of yours. They have no credibility. Care to cite ANY published material to support your new assertion that democracy exists nowhere in the world on a national level. There are 100s of thousands of published sources that directly contradict your silly claim.
     
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    Did you just edit Merriam Webster in order to pretend you have a valid point?

    Definition of democracy
    1a : government by the people especially : rule of the majority

    b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/democracy

    We can see who it is that is trying to mislead.
     
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    The idea that there is no democratic process in this nation is nonsensical gibberish. While it is true that we are not a pure democracy - we are a form of democracy.

    A constitutional republic - whose officials are elected by the people - is a form of democracy.
     
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    The trouble is there is no signs that we are actually a democracy. Yes, on paper we are a democracy, a democratic republic, but in reality we are very much an oligarchy.
     
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    We have a democratic process but, is this process functional ? There is no such thing as a functional / legitimate democratic process without fair and free media and an educated populace (educated in civics - the founding principles, legitimacy of authority - and the basics of Philosophy - logical fallacy, what constitutes a valid argument).

    We have neither.
     
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    Your knowledge of the USA in being affected by your local media and that's become apparent in your posts. Of course you're very welcome too comment, that's not the point, but it's also interesting to know where posters get their perceptions.
     
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    No, that's not true but you probably enjoy using the word o-li-gar-chy.
     
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    Referendums are usually held at the State level.
     

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