Is Anyone Happy with TrumpCare?

The concept that those who don't want to participate are necessarily 'free riders' is a failed premise. Unless you can demonstrate that those seeking to opt out have any reasponsibility for creating the automatic inclusion that defaulted them into the system. But you can't, because by and large, they don't.

Penalizing a person for attempting to avoid purchasing a product or service that they dont want to use is unethical, and is called racketeering or extorsion, unless its being dont by the govt, of course... Forcing the person to then use that product (to call them a 'free rider' for attempting to avoid paying) does not somehow make coersion more ethical.

 

You are of course wrong in every particular. There already is a public option that's available to Reserve/Guard retirees financed by premiums. The costs line up pretty much with commercial health insurance:





The idea that "profit margins, multiply-duplicated executive compensation packages, payrolls, marketing, advertising, and political lobbying costs, agency overhead and commissions, etc., etc., etc." would make a difference is demonstratively false since this Tricare plan is not subject to any of that.

The dangerous stupidity and ignorance that the left exhibits is usually funny, but when you attack the health care system with your hair brained schemes, then you are threatening me and my wellbeing. Didn't you learn anything from the Obamacare debacle?

Why ask the question, the answer is clearly no.

 

Trumps first EO was getting rid of the mandate, he never had a super majority like Mr. Obama did, by passing Obamacare in only three days and no one knew what was in it.


Jesus it took three years before Unions realized there Cadillac heath care plans where being taxed at 40 plus percent.

 

As usual, your claim is bogus. Trump has not passed anything into law, so we still have that abomination Obamacare. That is the current law, regardless of what you claim.

 

Trump bum kissers seem to be claiming that, despite his promise of replacing the ACA with "something terrific! that covers "everybody!" at "less cost!", he has been impotent - despite two full years of a Republican-controlled Senate and a Republican-controlled House, both having for years vowed to repeal and replace the ACA - on making any progress.

Quite to the contrary, costs continue to rise, and millions have lost coverage under Trumpery.

What exactly does he have in the works to deliver on his promises regarding healthcare?

 

Millions choose to not pay for health care, they would rather spend the money on a vacation, then pay for someone else's poor decisions in life.

 

They lost it by choice. They could have kept the insurance, but chose not buy it for whatever reason. Most likely because they thought it cost too much for what they were getting.

 

For some reason people think they can gobble down hamburgers, lay around watching television and when they get so dang fat we are supposed to pay for it.

 

Exactly, all we hear is my body my choice , Trump gave the people that power.

 

I think this actually makes a lot of sense. Can't say I agree with all of it, but there is much to think about here.

About selling insurance across state lines, my understanding is that there is no actual federal restriction to selling across state lines. One problem is that some states define the word "insurance" more loosely than others. I don't know the requirements of most states but Florida, for example, requires the inclusion of certain type of coverage in order for something to be considered "insurance". There are other states where insurance is cheaper only because they fail to include the basic coverage that Florida requires. I think this is solvable by requiring several basic conditions to be met at a Federal level. The other problem is this: the price of insurance in some states is determined by the local health costs. So even if insurers sold in other states, the cost in each state would still reflect the medical costs in the state of the consumer.

It would be problematic for smaller insurance companies to ensure that they can offer services nationwide. Because they would not be able to negotiate with providers in all 50 states. Either they wouldn't do it, or this would increase their operational costs to a point they might not be able to afford. So the Federal government needs to make their own network of providers available to these insurers. But then they would need to be able to negotiate costs so that their costs don't increase enormously. Currently they are not allowed to negotiate prices. And that needs to be eliminated.

Anyway... there are many things that can be done with healthcare. What we need is a serious non-partisan non-political national dialogue.

 

That pretty much shoots down the whole idea. That "non-political national dialogue" means that a very large segment of the population will be forced into a health care arrangement which they do not wan for the simple reason that no health care plan can be devised which everyone will like because we are all very different.

 

You can be super healthy, then slip and fall and break a few bones in your legs.
If you chose not to have insurance coverage, chances are you just became a free rider because the cost of your trip to emergency room will be passed down on other paying patients.

 

Ever hear of plaster and fiberglass? Not that difficult to go to the local home depot or Lowe's and make you own for under $20 bucks.

 

How are you going to set your bones?

What you are saying here is not realistic. Nobody will go to Home Depot with broken leg.
Your freedom of choice in terms of your coverage interferes with my freedom of paying only for services I receive without getting surcharged for free riders.

 

Projections is not good, I can name numerous times I refused medical care and took care of my wounds myself and so did others.

 

I despise doctors with a passion, it all started when they suggested abortion of my daughter

 

But you won’t be able to remove your own appendix or gallbladder. And those things come suddenly even to the healthiest people. You won’t be able to get away from using emergency services in quite a few cases and the older you get the higher your chances of getting there.

 

mmmyeah... well look...Here's the thing: I don't trust you. You not only want me to trust you, but you expect me to trust every single person in this country who says the magic words "It's how I was raised". I don't!

If you slip in the shower and die at the ER (the example you are responding to), I don't mind the fact that I'm paying for you so long as I know that you were paying your fair share. That's insurance! We all share the cost. That's how society works!

"Trust me" will not do.

 

What? You started all this saying that you would be willing to risk your own health to not pay. Now you want us to trust you?

No! Funerary services don't take people out of a ditch or from the shower and into the ER before they die.

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What the f... hell? No!!! Only if they rack up a contracted debt! How are you going to sign acknowledging your debt when you are pulled unconscious out of your shower or after you die!

What nonsense!

Huh? The cases in which people are found unconscious and never regain consciousness before they die... you say are "rare"?

You show you have no arguments.

Bottom line: those who refuse to pay for their healthcare because they don't have the means, are not the actual freeloaders. Those who won't pay for their healthcare despite the fact that they do have the means are a different story.

 

I'm not worried about you. I'm worried about those who could go bankrupt because of this insane system. If that raises your taxes... tough luck, kid. You shoulda' joined ARP.

 

Interesting. But I’m supposed to trust you and government to take the “correct” amount of my possessions? What is my fair share anyway? Same as your fair share? Same as a burger flipper’s fair share? Same as the welfare queen’s fair share? Truly fascinating. So not trusting people gives validity to tyranny. I’m actually glad you cleared that up.

 

Why should I be forced to pay for someone else? I am willing to help the helpless, but I object to helping those who refuse to help themselves. As for as AARP goes, why would I want to join an insurance company?

 

Since Obama's rescue of GM was little more than bankrupting their smaller creditors in order to keep those union "donations" rolling into Democratic coffers that wouldn't take an exactly Titanic amount of money.

 

Your hero John "Maverick" McCain stopped the GOP full repeal bill.

Don't you remember that?

Yes, the left's hero stopped the full repeal, yet you blame Trump.

Go figure.

 

Not burial. The burial process. I'm talking about everything that goes on in the hospital after you die.