Is Atheism a logical belief?

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  1. Jolly Penguin

    Jolly Penguin Well-Known Member

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    You come out wildly swinging a sword and then complain when people draw their own. You start a thread asking for people's thoughts and then either ignore their responses or declare yourself disgusted at their "mediocrity". Get over yourself, try to behave politely, and you may find others follow suit.
     
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    You claim you cannot choose what you believe, its nonsense, not my problem if alzheimers sets in.
     
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    Oh yeh same thing Hitchens said, sorry you are so offended by one of your fellow atheists.
     
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    As I noted to the other gentleman who raised this point, perhaps some of you actually CAN choose to believe you are elephants, that there are pixies, or Gods, or whatever, by sheer willpower. But I can not and many others can not.

    Perhaps some people have better powers of self delusion than others.
     
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    Yes you continue to babble that nonsense, but you excel at failing to tell us what is different between them
     
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    Hitchens isn't a role model for me, but he said what? He was coherent most of the time. I don't think he said what you did.
     
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    OH so then your claim is FALSE on its face as you now admit some people can 'CHOOSE' what they believe. When are you going to get real pal?
     
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    He is a highly prominent atheist philosopher that you just dissed! Apparently you are a theist?

    The Agnostic suspends judgment, saying that there are not sufficient grounds either for affirmation or for denial. ~BR

    I know the problem is you post before thinking right?
     
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    If you can't see a difference between them, then how can you claim to neither believe there is a God or believe there is no God, and be what you want us all to call agnostic? You just said if you don't believe there is a God then you believe there is no God.

    Are you split personalities?
     
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    I don't know if some people can or not. You claim people can, so I presume that means you think you can. I can not. So I try to make sense of both data points, pal.
     
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    FALSE I said there is no difference, that that nonsense is semantics and posted the applicable definitions proving the point in my thread, try understanding what you read for a change

    YOu are in denial as usual
     
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    since you are in denial of all contrary facts we know for a fact that wont happen
     
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    You somehow have it in your mind that if an atheist disses another atheist that makes them a theist?

    And you also somehow have it in your mind that saying somebody isn't your role model is a diss of them? I have very few role models.

    And again, I don't think Hitchens contradicted himself in the same way you do above, but would like to see it.
     
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    FALSE, making **** up again, thats all you ever have
     
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    Thats your spin on what I said which anyone who can read knows is always made up bullshit

    Admit you cant explain how there is a difference:
    Not only did I say it I proved it!

    that is semantic, period! so stop dodging and cough up the difference or concede!
     
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    You pretended Hitchens said something self contradictory that you didn't quote him saying. And that I don't believe he said. I asked you to and you refused. What are we all to make of you?

    The difference is that a person can be an agnostic. Just because somebody doesn't believe X does not necessarily mean they believe !X. They could have no belief either way. They could even have never thought about the question.

    It is true that you must either believe or not believe a proposition, but that does not mean you must either believe a proposition or believe the negation of it. It is quite possible to have no inclination either way.

    I don't believe you have a red refrigerator. I also don't believe you don't have a red refrigerator. I have no idea if you do or not. I also have no beliefs for or against what you may be storing in any refrigerator you may have.

    I think you understand this, especially since you so proudly dub yourself agnostic, and demand that can't be atheist, which you define as somebody who believes there are no Gods.

    You say you don't believe Gods exist and that you don't believe Gods don't exist, and then you tell us you see no difference between "I don't believe Gods exist" and "I believe gods don't exist".

    You are a tangled mess. Enough of you. Back to the OP.
     
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    nice! stealing my proposition in part and taking credit for my genius. I went over this in my thread I am not going to rehash the same **** here. Right along with the never though about it ****, people think about it the moment they are asked if God exists, its bogus flew argument that is patently nonsense and flew converted to a believer before his death.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/is-neo-atheism-a-rational-religion.564784/

    Oh and btw, none of that works with your 'no choice' borg theory! :roflol:
     
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    Admit you cant explain how there is a difference because I am correct
    Not only did I say it I proved it!
    that is semantic, period!
    so stop dodging and cough up the difference or concede!
     
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    Does thumping your chest and claiming repeatedly to have proven something without proving it or even making a coherent argument for it count here as "proving" something?

    I just illustrated a difference in the post above, that you quoted but didn't respond to. It isn't my fault if you refuse to see it.

    It also isn't something to "concede". Everything is some sort of contest to you eh? Nobody will think less of you if you let yourself engage in actual conversation and consider things others write instead of your continual chest thumping. Stop worrying so much about looking weak, and you will look stronger as a result.
     
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    I dont need to, thump my chest I have academia on my side, doesnt change the fact you stole my brilliant example and are now trying to bastardize it to suit your agenda.

    Yeh blathering your nonsense is something you need to concede, now that it has long since been proven nonsense.

    [clarity added!] for the english language handicapped

    neoatheists STOLE the agnostic not sufficient grounds to claim neoatheism!

    Admit you cant explain how there is a difference because I am correct
    Not only did I say it I proved it!
    that is semantic, period!
    so stop ducking, dodging, making excuses, and cough up the difference or concede!

    Admit what everyone can see that you are wrong!
     
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    You wrote somewhere about a red refrigerator? I thought that example was original. I didn't think it was brilliant. You think red refrigerators are brilliant?

    And no, you don't have "academia" on your side that you don't contradict yourself.
     
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    you are wrong on both counts!

    Admit you cant explain how there is a difference:
    Not only did I say it I proved it!
    that is semantic, period!
    so stop dodging and cough up the difference or concede!
     
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    You skipped #389....being lazy?
    Yes, I was assuming you were of the belief that "God did it" since you are asking the question WHERE DID FIRST CAUSE COME FROM? and you believing in a God stating
    "Where did the first spark that popped into existence, from absolutely nothing, in the middle of a void that did not previously exist, just because it wanted to, come from?" You must think there is an answer out there to that and the only people with an answer to that say, "God did it".
    So, God didn't do it?
     
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    STOP assuming. You will thank me for the advice.
     
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    I assumed you had an answer to your own question.
     
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