Is Freedom of Speech more important that human life

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  1. Leffe

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    And in their society, they are not "free", they are bound by the constrains of their religion. You assume that you can exercise your consitutional right to free speech, without it conflicting with a command given to them by god (I'm an atheist). You expect them to assume the 1st ammendment of YOUR constitution, you are wrong; they are obaying the word of their religion. So in a wierd way, you are compromising their right to freedom of religion.

    In short (and after playing the devils advocate), both sides need to calm down and stop making ideological points at each other. It's like watching two drunks argue with each other.
     
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    Nonsense, many many posters here are always going on about gays pushing their agenda, when all gays are doing is expressing their sexuality.
     
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    If the US took the same view (e.g. gay marriage, abortion etc...) then they'd be able to make this claim. But you have the exact same conflict going on in your own country.
     
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    The law of who's country? Your constitution extends only to your territory, yet you seem to want to have the right to free speech around the globe.
     
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    But we don't typically kill people over it (with limited exceptions, of course). I always find it offensive when some dude thinks the entire world needs to bow down to his chosen religion. But I take even greater offense when they start killing people over it.
     
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    I believe in freedom of speech regardless of any constitution. So yes, I think the entire globe needs it. Actually, most of globe does.
     
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    No ones asking the entire world to bow down in front of islam, so please stop being melodramatic! I'm simply saying that being intentionally provocative will always come back to burn you. So the next islamic terrorist attack on the US, you'll have few complaints, because you'll have brought it on yourselves.
     
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    Which is your right to believe, but you are absolutely powerless to change that, and you have no right to do so.
     
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    snakestretcher Banned

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    So stupidity trumps common sense in your view?
     
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    They are indeed doing that! That's why they keep killing people. I was not talking about you personally.

    So, in other words, live by the rules of Islam or risk death? I'll risk death, thanks.
     
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    I have the right to be for anything I wish.
     
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    Should holocaust denial be legalised in Germany?
     
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    No they are not. I'm saying that if you came face to face with me and insulted my Mum, I'd punch you and you;'d deserve it. What would make it even more stupid for yourself, would be that you only insulted my Mum to prove that you had the right to do so.

    I'm not defending these people who murder others or try to incite murder. I'm looking at this objectively.
     
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    You have no power and no right to impose the freedom of speech to other nations, or expect them to consider your 1st ammendment rights outside of your country.
     
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    IMO yes. It's a stupid law.
     
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    Indeed it is, in the context of freedom of speech; heaven forbid someone insults Jews, but Muslims are, evidently, fair game. And, (before some idiot accuses me of holocaust denial), let me make it absolutely clear that I do not deny it.
     
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    Of course it should.
     
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    I have every right to be for anything I wish. That's all I said. Stop trying to extend it beyond that.
     
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    And you would go to jail. Sounds fine to me. If I really hated your mom it may seem a fair trade to me. I never said free speech cannot result in adverse consequences. But so what? Freedom isn't free, you know.
     
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    What you are advocating is giving in to the violence of the extremists.
     
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    So you propose to shut down the internet?
     
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    You equate the defence of freedom of speech with hooliganism and extremist violence.
     
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    Who exactly proposes killing people because they are gay?
     
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    You are completely wrong here. This isn't about the freedom to go and hold a public screening of this movie in Iran or Iraq or Egypt. What you are advocating here is that the internet should be censored of anything that might be considered illegal in any country.
     
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    Muslims do.
     

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