Is Freedom of Speech more important that human life

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Ronald0, Sep 19, 2012.

  1. hiimjered

    hiimjered Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I love that you magically can read the mind of the film's creator. There are plenty of other anti-Muslim videos out there, why didn't they cause riots? More importantly, why did it take months for riots to break out in response to this video?
     
  2. hiimjered

    hiimjered Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How would restricting speech because of these riots be anything other than compitulating to terrorists? If we do restrict ourselves because of these riots, what is to keep any other group that dislikes something we are doing from trying the same thing?
     
  3. Ronald0

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    Ok let's assume for a moment the film maker had the best intentions. Now that everyone believes that it is causing deaths, why is the film not being banned or removed from sites like youtube. Is the freedom to see those bigoted videos more important that human lives? We all know that anti Semitic videos are routinely deleted from youtube on just a few complains. Where's your freedom of speech then?
     
  4. hiimjered

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    I've never heard of youtube removing anti-semetic videos just because of a few complaints, but even if they did, that is part of free speech. The people at youtube have the right to post or remove any video they choose. That is free speech. Being forced to post or say something is no less an infringement of free speech than being restricted from saying something.

    And, once again, wouldn't taking down the video be capitulating to terrorism?
     
  5. garyd

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    I am only culpable for someone else's bad behavior if I paid them to do it.
     
  6. Johnny-C

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    Amen to that!! Words/expression can be used as sticks, stones and knives. And if those things could not cause great pain, people would not use them as hurtfully as they do.

    Words are powerful BECAUSE we are HUMAN. Sure, a word resting on a piece of paper or an expression made to no audience causes no effect... until it is digested by another HUMAN being.

    As an avid musician and songwriter, I'm for freedom of speech/expression overall... but the juvenile and irresponsible notion that we can depict, say, or do whatever we please (with zero consequences), is just plain BS.
     
  7. DLCorona

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    If I said you must stop posting or I'd kill someone, would you stop?

    If I said that Chris Mathews must be fired or I'd kill someone, should they fire him?

    If I said '(*)(*)(*)(*) Christ' must be destroyed or I'd bomb a museum, do you think they'd remove it?

    No.. Of course not... When a murderer murders someone, it's not the fault of people that pissed him off.... period...
     
  8. Johnny-C

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    Case is NOT closed. ANYTHING so abused that it must ultimately be addressed... WILL be. Just let people abuse something TOO MUCH over time; laws will change (even our Constitution).
     
  9. Johnny-C

    Johnny-C Well-Known Member

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    When the consequences of things hit our doorsteps, it is often late in the game to be addressing the same.

    We should condemn the fact that people express certain notions and ideas. I saw enough of the video to know it wasn't really something that people should support.

    Insulting/hurting people just because we CAN, will never be a good thing in general.
     
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    Slyhunter New Member Past Donor

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    The video isn't killing anyone are Muslims are. Perhaps we should ban Muslims.
     
  11. saintmichaeldefendthem

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    What I can't believe is that people are still advancing the Administration's narrative that the protests were all about the video, a video that about 12 people saw last June. When they were shouting "We are a billion Osama's, Obama!" could they be any more clear? What they were protesting was the video of the Democrat National Convention bragging 21 times that they killed OBL. Yet the liberal media cronies continue to insist it's about a little known video portraying Islam in a non flattering light. I refuse to go along with that.
     
  12. My Fing ID

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    Freedom of speech is extremely important. I see no reason it should be taken from us. It's not our fault a bunch of idiots murdered people over a video. The only people who should be punished are the violent retards who took peoples lives over a stupid video on You Tube. They are the problem, not speech. You have the right to say what you want, and for humanity as a whole that right should exist. You do not however have the right to kill random people because some words/video/images pissed you off.

    While I think that making this video was stupid and obviously meant to provoke I cannot and will not say it should be censored. It shouldn't. If anything I say make more until the violent retards are dead or stop trying to kill people and destroy things because their delicate sensibilities were offended. Again they are the problem, not speech.
     
  13. Lil Mike

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    It's very disappointing to see so many leftists agitate for restricting free speech out of fear. Maybe I'm old but I remember a time that the left used to care about civil rights, but it seems that their affection for free speech was strictly a transactional proposition, so that they could promote their own leftists views. A couple of decades ago Lefty agitator Susan Sontag was purported to have said to a question about free speech and the Soviets, " The Soviet Union doesn't need free speech. They've already achieved socialism."
     
  14. OhZone

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    No one has a right not to be offended.
    The offense is after all in their own minds.

    From what I understand the film presented known facts.
    Do Muslims think that Mohammed was a virgin or such?
    And further, if this was such a real offense wouldn't Allah take care of the matter?
    Don't you wonder what Allah thinks of his followers acting like retarded savages?
    Seems to me that this behavior is an insult to Mohammed and to Allah.
     
  15. Johnny-C

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    Very easy to say the above... very difficult to embrace when you are the one being truly offended.

    It's true that we aren't guaranteed any right to not be offended; but the foolishness of offending others (or another) just because we are capable of the same... can easily lead to serious consequences.

    And I'm convinced (as un-American) as it may sound... continued abuse of virtually ANY right or privilege, can and likely will lead to restrictions we cannot imagine (at this present time).

    Freedom of speech is an important blessing, but in the REAL world it can over time be "qualified" or "restricted" in certain ways (even in America).
     
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    Your delicate as a flower sensibilities as a homosexual, are not the norm.
     
  17. Ronald0

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    No. If you insulted a group of people just for the sake of offending them knowing full well that the consequence would be death and destruction and there is no way to stop those deaths other than by keeping your silence, then it is prudent to do so and the Courts should have the right to stop you from doing just that.

    FYI, if you malign someone in the media you risk being sued. For many Muslims, an insult to their prophet is a bigger insult than to themselves. Why restrict freedom of speech when freedom of speech is so important to you?
     
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    My Fing ID Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would rather send troops to defend ourselves from the violent retards than restrict our freedom of speech. It's not our fault some people are so stupid and immoral that they would kill people because they insult their fantasy.
     
  19. Ronald0

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    So the right to insult others is more important to you than human lives. Gotcha. Are those your "Christian" values because I am quite sure the Bible teachings would differ with you.
     
  20. hiimjered

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    So the ONLY way to stop these deaths is by not talking? You couldn't increase security, imprison the violent cowards that will initiate the attacks, evacuate embassy members and cut off diplomatic ties to those nations - any number of things can be done to protect the Americans.

    I can't believe you are defending a group of violent primitives who are willing to attack and kill totally innocent and uninvolved people over a stupid film. There is no justification for such behavior.
     
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    My Fing ID Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What are you talking about? Where did I say people have the right to kill people because they are offended by something? The violent retards are the problem, not free speech.

    BTW I'm not a Christian, I'm an Atheist. I believe human life is extremely important as we only live once. I feel that we should be allowed to live our lives as we wish, including the freedom to say whatever we want. I do not believe we have the right to kill each other for no reason, and those that would must be removed from the rest of humanity, be it by distances (preferable) or violence (last resort). If they want to kill people they don't know because they got pissed off about something someone they don't even know said then they can (*)(*)(*)(*)ing die. They are the problem, not free speech. Your entire argument is a false dichotomy because there is no reason that speech has to kill anyone.

    The question should be "do you believe people should be killed because someone offended some people."
     
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    So your saying we should say nothing bad about anyone who might lose their cool and kill people. (*)(*)(*)(*) you. Freedom of speech is to protect speech people don't want you to say not speech they feel fine about. The problem is with the thin skin people who can't control their temper. Those are the people you should put in jail or execute in order to prevent violence. Not those folks who speak their mind.
     
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    I'm insulted that you would try to control me and what I say. Maybe I should burn your house down. It'll be your fault, not mine right.
     
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    Awesome. And I love your siggy too.
     
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    You do know that both Jesus and Paul insulted, offended and caused trouble with the religious leaders of their day right?
     

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