Is it honorable to force men or women to wear veils or any particular garment?

Is it honorable to force men or women to wear veils or any particular garment?

I ask this question, because forcing people to do so, seems to go against the notions of freedom, liberty, equality and fraternity. It is an insult to our fiduciary duty to each other and is responsible for many honor killings.

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In many countries, be it a religious, political or social custom; women and men are forced to wear particular garments;, veils hijabs, or beards are three examples of this.

Does this practice of using force go against our fiduciary duty to women and men?

The Golden Rules or some form of reciprocity exists in most religions and cultures.

No one likes to be forced to do anything, this is irrefutable. In some cultures, force is used to have men and women kowtow to the culture or religion. This is a poor and immoral ideology.

I believe that obliging or forcing people to submit to any political, social or religious norm, including forcing various apparel, --- without a just cause, --- is immoral.

Do you agree?

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DL

 

I think it is immoral to tell people how to dress, whether you are telling them to wear a veil or telling them they can't, unless we are talking about establishing rules on one's own property.

 

That seems to be what the Muslim men are doing. Right?

In a case where women are pressured to do so, in free countries, does the state have a place in preventing men from forcing their views onto women?

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DL

 

It's because if the woman doesn't cover up every last part of her body some man will see it and she'll get raped.

The culture in other regions of the world has adapted to protect their women from the circumstances that exist in their societies.

And remember, in those cultures if something happens to her it's her fault. So the onus is on her to cover up and have a male relative escort her outside the home. Only then can she be free of blame if something happens to her.

 

So is it immoral to make women wear garments to cover their breasts or men wear pants. How about lets not have another thread pretending one religion is more irrational than another religion.

 

IOW, if Muslim men have no self-control, it is the woman's fault.

How handy for men.

It seems that all the Abrahamic religions happily use anything or anyone as their scapegoat.

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DL

 

The key phrase was, with a just cause.

If you do not see levels of irrationality in religions then you do not know how to look. Not all of them hold supernatural beliefs and those are a lot less irrational than the idol worshiping cults.

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DL

 

In many parts of the world there is cause.

Whether it's just or not is a more debatable matter.
Don't you think a woman has a responsibility to her husband to take some precautionary measures so she doesn't get raped?
I think that's how they view it in that culture, or at least one of the reasons.

It's not so different in American culture. If a woman is wearing a skimpy sleazy outfit and she gets sexually harassed, there's less sympathy for her. Parents don't want their teen daughters to dress too provocatively outside the house.

Of course it's nowhere near the extreme found in many parts of the Muslim world, but there is a parallel through which we can at least understand their cultural perspective on this issue (despite not agreeing with it).

It's true the burka is like a prison to many women, but the real prison is the surrounding environment that necessitates the use of that burka.

Anyway, in some cases it would be hard to marry some of these women off if their face wasn't covered, so there's that.

 

Honor killing a wife that does not wear her rape prevention garb, prison garb to you, is hardly a way to protect your wife.

Better to let her get raped then help her get past the assault. Right?

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DL

 

Yes it's moral. Though in an ideal world only the more attractive and the ugly boobs would have to be covered up.

Common, do you think it's fair to give men boners in public?

 

Do you support schools that demand school uniforms?

Do you think police and military should not wear uniforms?

Why do the Amish with their dress codes never seem to be causing anyone pain, while Muslims seem to be causing the most pain and conflict in the world?

 

The criteria for imposition of a dress code is if it has a just cause.

School, police, and other organizations that have uniforms do not honor kill those who refuse to wear them. That aside.

Community standards are set by the community and not some invisible guy in the sky and have decided that for their communities there is a just cause for the dress code.

See the difference?

As to the Amish, I do not know why they are less barbaric than Muslims.

It could be the level of education they give to girls.

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DL

 

So in the big picture, what percent of your community, or nation, would you like to be practicing Muslims?

Zero is my preference.

 

Why do you think it is moral?

 

Zero would be my preference for all religions.

 

All religions are idol worshipping cults. And all hold supernatural beliefs since by definition imaginary gods are supernatural.

 

There are a number of Muslimm/Islam denominations that are left leaning and they even have Gnostic Muslims. These are likely ok since they have likely scraped Sharia.

Any that practice Sharia I would outlaw as they are a slave holding ideology that refuse to give women equality under the law.

England is having tons of problems as we speak on this issue.

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DL

 

What of the atheist churches?

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DL

 

What idols do Karaite Jews, Buddhists and Gnostic Christians worship?

Those are all knowledge/wisdom based religions who put man above God.

Perhaps you know something I do not. Name their gods please.

Especially the Gnostic Christian God you think I idol worship.

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DL

 

What a profoundly insipid topic given America's steps to promote ethnic cleansing in Palestine.

There are people whose houses are being bulldozed. And, it's happening early in the morning, so the occupants have no time to gather their possessions - as if they had a place to go!

And, America signals the go-ahead!

And, you're worried about a head scarf being required by some other country???

Really???

 

Send your off topic rank to American's. I am a Canadian.

If you have a solution then implement it instead of just ranting where no one is on your pet issuer.

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DL

 

Any god is an idol.

Definition of idol
1: a representation or symbol of an object of worship; broadly : a false god
2a : a likeness of something
b obsolete : pretender, impostor
3: a form or appearance visible but without substance

• an enchanted phantom, a lifeless idol
• —P. B. Shelley

4: an object of extreme devotion

• a movie idol

; also : ideal 2
5: a false conception : fallacy
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First Known Use: 13th century

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Zero is the preference for any group that is intolerant of others.
That is for bigoted christians also. Who want to impose onto others their belief.

 

Well, they just meet on Sunday morning, offer people coffee and donuts, and have speakers for the people in the seats. I guess that is similar to church. Anyways it's freedom of assembly.

 

The definition was not at question.

It was you applying it to the wrong religions that was.

I take it you cannot put your money where your mouth was.

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DL