Is Neo[Atheism] a Rational Religion?

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  1. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Ive already said there are many atheist world views
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    not eating pork how about that one?
     
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    I love me some pork. Slow roasted. It's like buttah.
     
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    Hardly, but that is what ym is trying to paint
     
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    Muslims may also but its against the religion, so eating pork or in this case not eating pork is part of the Muslim religion.
     
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    And this is important to us how?
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    there you go demanding clones again
    I already debunked your version in previous threads why do you continue to misrepresent my position
     
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    well you get to think about that, you said anything can be a religion ;)
     
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    I said your definition stated as much.

    Now I've become curious about why you care about other people's religious beliefs so much.
     
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    I could care less, except about the neoatheists.
    Once upon a time they decided that I, an agnostic, was an atheist, and demanded that I am really an atheist. I take offense to that because unlike atheists my belief is grounded in fact NOT faith like their atheism. So they need to be sorted out.
     
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    So why do you care so much about what these neoathiests think?
     
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    Because they are the ones that need to be sorted out :)
    You can see the rabbit hole brigade, they are incredulous to the meanings of any word that runs contrary to their political agenda
     
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    we just had someone else come in this thread earlier claiming they are agnostic and atheist, which is impossible, you cant go left and right at the same time
     
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    Yes. I've notice that.
     
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    Excuse me, OF COURSE I CAN be an agnostic atheist. In the absence of what I consider sufficient evidence I do not accept the existence of ANY god. However, I have sufficient intellectual integrity to accept that I only know what I know and at any time new knowledge may change my belief. I take the same attitude towards scientific theory and hypotheses.



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    And you can make much more than just cake with cake batter regardless of color - go figger.

    https://www.cosmopolitan.com/food-cocktails/a6963/unexpected-cake-mix-recipes/
     
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    your reasonsing is irellavant because it violates logic, you cant say yes no, you cant go right left at the same time, ever.

    Here:

    What’s The Difference Between Atheism And Agnosticism?

    Atheist vs. agnostic


    There is a key distinction. An atheist doesn’t believe in a

    god

    However, an agnostic neither believes nor disbelieves in a god or religious doctrine.

    THIS: Agnostics assert that it’s impossible for human beings to know anything about how the universe was created and if divine beings exist.

    https://www.dictionary.com/e/atheism-agnosticism/

    Is merely the reasoning for the agnostic religious position, you are using it as the position itself so is the cute chart.

    You cannot logically or reasonably say you neither disbelieve NOR believe in God and at the same time say you disbelieve in God that is nonsense, its going left and right at the same time, sorry

    They sold you a wooden nickel.

    If you have doubts about atheism then you might lean agnostic, you cant rationally join them.


    MORE

    Athiesm or theism are incompatable with agnoticism,,,,


    Agnostics are unwilling to make a decision either for or against God’s existence. It is the ultimate “straddling the fence” position. Theists believe that God exists. Atheists believe that God does not exist.

    Agnostics believe that we should not believe or disbelieve in God’s existence, because it is impossible to know either way.
    [23] https://www.conservapedia.com/Agnosticism
     
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    We've been on this hamster wheel before, so I'm going to skip a bunch of stuff that we disagree on for now. I'll jump directly to the bit that you consistently failed to answer.

    Many atheists suggest themselves as having answered no to the question "the case for God is convincing" rather than to the question "there is a God". For now, regardless of what you think about whether that is to be considered accurate, do you agree that all (most?) of your objections based on logic, rationality, intelligence etc. go away if we use that definition of atheism?
     
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    Professor Andrew Simms, former President of the Royal Institute of Psychiatry in Britain… concludes that religious faith is one of medicine’s best kept secrets. Particularly among Christian adherents in western society, religious practice seems to result in lower levels of stress and depression, better physical health, better interpersonal relationship and family life and a much lower inclination to substance addiction, among other behavioral and mental disorders. The psychiatric data for atheism and agnosticism, on the other hand, appears to run quite in the opposite direction. A number of studies performed by members of the American psychiatric association determine a strong correlation between a “lack of faith” (i.e. atheism) and depression and suicide. – Illogical Atheism, by Bo Jinn, Kindle Section 1614
     
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    I think I read a study once that said the longest lived people on the planet were nuns.
    We just seen exactly that merry-go-round over the course of the last 3 pages. Inserting then demanding the use of definition senses that do not to apply to the central point, and worse ignoring the countless worldview beliefs any rational person must use/make/attach to get to their conclusion. One at a minimum requires God to be explained to them to conceive what they dont believe which is always a long series of God based world view propositions they have to deny before claiming atheist.
    Religion can be proven, say if you adopt as part of your religion that you will wear clothes to protect you from the environment, same as not eating pork kept them from trichnea it is a physical adaptation easily observed, most religion can be observed, beliefs on the other hand can only be observed once put into action. Without attached actions religion dissolves into philosophy and personal opinion etc.
    As much as some people wish to avoid it, that is the only logical, reasonable approach to does God exist, the rest is just meaningless word salad euphemisms, metaphors and semantic 1/2 way measures.


    @Jonsa: This is the direct quote from the man that coined the use of agnostic:

    I neither deny nor affirm the immortality of man. I see no reason for believing in it, but, on the other hand, I have no means of disproving it. It is wrong for a man to say that he is certain of the objective truth of any proposition unless he can produce evidence which logically justifies that certainty. Thomas Huxley

    Needless to say atheists have no evidence.
    It should be clear why no one can be both atheist and agnostic at the same time.
     
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    Uh, what?
     
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    People attempt to re-define it every which way under the sun, sure, but the crux of Atheism is the belief that god(s) do not exist.

    Yes, Atheism itself is defined by the "initial circular argument" that its truth depends upon, but there are numerous other beliefs that one adopts around that fundamental belief of Atheism (such as whether or not we determine our own purpose, whether or not we are a product of evolution, what the source of morality is, and etc.) that forms one's worldview.

    So yes, Atheism is actually a worldview, as many other beliefs inevitably result from that core belief. Same thing applies to Theism, and all the beliefs that result from it. This results in different worldviews (ie, a "Theistic" worldview, compared to an "Atheistic" worldview). Not all Theistic worldviews are identical, and not all Atheistic worldviews are identical, but they are all Theistic and Atheistic worldviews nonetheless.
     
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    'Religion' is "an initial circular argument with other arguments stemming from it". Another way to phrase that would be "a fundamental belief with other arguments stemming from it". A 'belief' is defined as "the acceptance of an argument as a truth". Religion is a useful tool for addressing that which cannot be falsified, as science can only address theories that are falsifiable.

    Religion is a "supplement" of science, which is simply "a set of falsifiable theories". Religion picks up where science leaves off.
     
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    I'm glad that you're asserting this. Given this assertion, I would be interested to hear you offer up a definition of 'religion', since most people like to incorrectly define it as "belief in god/s" or something similar to that, typically involving some sort of "supernatural", whatever that even means. So, what is your philosophy as to what 'religion' is?
     
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    I knew it was only a matter of time before you would assert that Theism (the belief that god(s) exist) and Christianity (the belief that Jesus Christ exists and is who he says he is) are worldviews, but yet Atheism (the belief that god(s) don't exist) is somehow not also a worldview. As you would argue under your own reasoning, Christianity is a PART of one's worldview, not one's worldview itself.

    So, using your very own reasoning against you, Theism, like Atheism, is ONE belief. Christianity, even, is ONE belief. Thus, Christianity (and Theism) are NOT worldviews according to you, but since you are also asserting that they are in fact worldviews, you are now stuck in paradox.

    You will need to clear this paradox in order to argue rationally once again...
     
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