Is Neo[Atheism] a Rational Religion?

You don't understand what he just wrote or what I wrote. The only question remaining is if this is deliberate refusal to understand.

 

I think I share your preferred definition. But to be sure, would you describe Gnostic atheist as one who "knows" (or think they know) there is no God?

 

He never said it is a rational religion. He just insists on it being a religion. I suspect it's part of his "atheism is just as based on faith as theism is" line of thought.

Not sure if he is just odd or if this stems from a defensive theist position realizing faith is a weakness and wanting to project it on both sides to get rid of atheists thinking religion is irrational. Hard to say religion is irrational if you yourself are religious. Maybe that's his motive, as it is for many theists who push the same line, but he claims to be agnostic so maybe not.

 

your problem is that I do understand, as do the universities understand.
cant have a rational debate with people in denial however.

thats right 'faith' is not FACT
neither side has any proof of claim.

Of course there are aspects of religion that are irrational and everyone not in a coma has a religion.

atheist secular humanism is a religion.

amazing how short atheist memory is when their arguments are debunked and laid to waste.


Atheist 'mega-churches' look for nonbelievers



LOS ANGELES (AP) — It looked like a typical Sunday morning at any mega-church. Hundreds packed in for more than an hour of rousing music, an inspirational sermon, a reading and some quiet reflection. The only thing missing was God.

On Sunday, the inaugural Sunday Assembly in Los Angeles attracted more than 400 attendees, all bound by their belief in non-belief. Similar gatherings in San Diego, Nashville, New York and other U.S. cities have drawn hundreds of atheists seeking the camaraderie of a congregation without religion or ritual.

Speaking of what is trolling for 100, this was posted on the last page, completely ignored as usual.

Neoatheists think they can simply close their eyes and if they pretend not to see the world crashing down all around them then is didnt. RIGHT!

They Tried to Start a Church Without God. For a While, It Worked.
https://www.theatlantic.com › ideas › archive › 2019/07
Jul 21, 2019 — Secular organizers started their own congregations. But to succeed, they need to do a better job of imitating religion.

Fundamentalist Atheism and its Intellectual Failures - SAGE ...
https://journals.sagepub.com › doi › pdf
Linda Woodhead, a scholar of religion and culture at Lancaster University in the UK, says, “Meeting in a building with the same group every week . . . I don’t think there’s any natural need for that.” She also believes community is not enough to keep people coming. They need a common, powerful motivation.

Organizations without God are failing because people don’t merely need community. They need an energizing purpose. The failure of counterfeits like the Sunday Assembly highlight the power of the gospel message and the Holy Spirit to unite people. Christ gives us our ultimate purpose. When we repent and trust Christ for salvation (2 Peter 3:9), we receive new, eternal life, as well as a new purpose: glorifying God and living in fellowship with the family of believers.
by J Nall · 2008

Kregel Articles | Why Is Atheism a Failure?
https://www.kregel.com › articles › why-is-atheism-a-fa...
Mar 19, 2019 — To argue, as many atheists do, that religious beliefs are rooted in primitive superstitions fails to account for the millions of bright

Yep atheism is taking the world by landslide alright!

 

Just to sum up Koko's confusion and what we have been trying to tell him, using Agnostic as Koko defines it.

X = Believes there is God = Theist
!X = Does not believe there is God = Atheist
Y = Believes there is no God
!Y = Does not believe there is no God

!X, !Y = Agnostic

Koko then claims !X = Y. He says !X and Y are distinction without a difference. But that sets Agnostic to Y,!Y in the above, which is of course irrational.

 

There are no such inputs as X and !X, you made it all up to divert the point away from the fact your position is fully debunked also on the previous page, also ignored.

That cwaziness you just posted proves my point perfectly, you have no clue how koko defines it. You run it through your neoatheist filter and produce the above which is not remotely close.

thanks for that by the way, I decided to give you a like for it too!

 

Goal posts moving? Atheist != Atheist secular humanism.

 

you need to look in the correct direction, correcting your sliding goal posts secular humanism = atheist organization, beliefs rites ceremonies

 

The title of the thread asks if “Neo-atheism is a rationalist religion.”

Yes, a person who claims to know that there is no God would be a gnostic atheist.

 

Are you speaking jibberish on purpose?

Pretending and declaring you have "debunked" what you think is my position gets you nowhere. Actually engaging us in conversation rather than gloating may help your case.

X is not an "input"?

You don't define theist as one who believes in God (X)?

You don't define atheist as your chosen dictionary does? As one who is !X?

 

I think I see your problem. You think = means therefore?

Secular humanists are therefore atheist.

That does not mean atheists are therefore secular humanists.

We were talking about atheism, not secular humanism. So even if you proved secular humanism is faith based, that would not prove atheism is.

 

Then you will have no problem proving God does not exist, since you KNOW!

see above

 

Yes, asks, not states. So he didn't say it is, but asked if it is. And oddly, he doesn't really address that in his OP at all, instead just demanding that atheism is a religion.

 

thats why they call it a discussion shees!

 

No, genius, be said he was agnostic atheist. Which means he admits he doesn't know.

 

again does not know is not a legitimate response, FFS email swensson, ask for his help, this is getting totally ****ing old already

 

It's odd to start a discussion with a question not addressed in the opening post. It's certainly allowed, but it's odd.

 

patently false, demands that I post a complete discussion of the subject in the OP is over the top insane and defeats the purpose of a forum, damn is there no end to this nonsense?

and had anyone of you actually bothered TO READ the thread you would discvoer swensson is the one that wanted to talk about it, and I merely obliged without objection.

 

Kojomojo, I invite you to re-read my post summarizing what I see as your confusion and to correct where you think I misunderstood you, if that's the case. Maybe I am wrong, but your chest thumping and declarations of "debunking" what you imagine is my position won't show that.

You have said many times in this thread that you define agnostic as a person who neither believes in God (!X) nor disbelieves in God, which you have repeatedly said means believes there is no God (so !Y). When I said there is a difference between not believing in God and believing there is no God, you repeatedly said that is there is no difference. (!X=Y).

Swensson tried to point it out to you as well. Anyone who reads the thread will see this. They can the read the above and see your error.

Why can't you? Instead of further explanation or self-correction, we get gibberish and declarations of you having "debunked" us. Why?

 

What difference does it make if he claims atheism is a religion or if he claims it is a rational religion?

 

Or for that matter a rational religion or a rationalist religion? Who knows. Maybe God does.

 

I reject both propositions.

The rest has been explained countless times so it requires that you work on grammar and logic so you can better understand what is going on here.

I invite you to take note that agnostic is defined that way:

CITATION for the 10th time:
However, an agnostic neither believes nor disbelieves in a god or religious doctrine. Agnostics assert that it's impossible for human beings to know anything about how the universe was created and whether or not divine beings exist. ... If you're not certain that god exists, you could describe yourself as agnostic.

What's The Difference Between Atheism And Agnosticism?

You can both say whatever you want, however where the rubber meets the road, proving it 'logically' you fail miserably. Now you and swensson are operating out of denial.

there is no comparative connection between religion and rational religion. You are using incorrect terms. There is a connection between rational and irrational, we have discovered in this thread the atheist religion fails rational.

 

I don’t even know what you are talking about! lol Its your terminology I’m trying to understand!

 

So wait are you asking if Atheism is a religion or are you asking if atheism, which you consider a religion, is rational?

 

thats ok, long as you are having fun

at least now you know there is such a thing as atheist religion, complete with churches, ministers and the whole lot!

What Can You Do as an Atheist Minister? - Get Ordained
https://getordained.org › blog › atheist-minister
Dec 17, 2014 — Who provides these services to atheists and others who do not attend church? Being ordained as an atheist minister allows you the privileges to