Is Neo[Atheism] a Rational Religion?

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  1. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    we already know atheism is a religion, and this thread proves its not too rational.
    They have no supporting logic to prove their theories, not to mention the universities are not on board with them either.
     
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    Oh lol.
     
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    Well you already knew your answer to this question before you asked it. Why did you ask?
     
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    Yes. We get that. And then you declared that "disbelieve" in God (the word you kept using to equivocate) means "believes there is no God". I pointed out that there is a difference between "believes there is no God" and "does not believe there is a God" (two common uses of the word disbelieve when applied to a God) and you kept insisting there is no difference (hence your equivocation). So re-read what I posted and reposted. You still haven't addressed it.

    I have not claimed to prove anything, so I can't fail, miserably or not.

    I've just analyzed and restated what YOU said. And what you said contradicts itself.
     
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    He wanted to bait out atheists like myself and Swensson, and you, who don't see atheism itself as a religion, so he could tell us how wrong we are, without actually proving anything other than offering conflicting gibberish.
     
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    puhlease, you cant even construct a proper truth table or use the falstad to make your point, there is a reason for that, for the 100th time its called distinction with no difference fallacy. Hope that helps.
     
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    using that NONSENSE logic all OP's are baiting out someone for something, shees talk about hard up for a score
     
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    The OP asks if atheism is rational, not if atheism is a religion, so no I did not know the irrational part I learned that through discussion, or more accurately lack of.
     
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    Why did you spend so much of the post talking about Atheism being a religion then?

    Also, what does rational mean to you?
     
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    Yes. We get that too. You think there is no difference between "Believes there is no God" and "Doesn't believe there is a God", hence your equivocation of "disbelieve". You then say agnostics neither believe nor disbelieve there is a God. And you don't seem to want to realize that this means you are saying agnostics both believe there is no god and doesn't believe there is no god, a contradiction.

    We've shown you this error. You've closed your eyes and put your fingers in your ears. You fail at logic and at reading comprehension. What more are we to do?
     
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    Not true. Lots of times people post threads looking for honest discussion, and not because they are trying to bait people out to declare how very very wrong they are, while giving no argument other than conflicting gibberish.
     
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    ra·tion·al

    adjective
    adjective: rational
    1.
    based on or in accordance with reason or logic.
    "I'm sure there's a perfectly rational explanation"

    I dont know, ask the neoatheists why they insisted on focusing on it?

    Ihave proven it, you are in denial and have no evidence to the contrary, as I said before you both lost the initiative long time ago and its clear to everyone you are simply throwing **** at the wall hoping something will stick.

    If you were not we would see a flastad circuit and TT's that are not wrought with some of the most ridiculous nonsense I have ever seen in my life.

    You had plenty of opportunity to put up the goods, its clear you have no intention of doing so because yhou have nothing to put up except repeat rewind.

    There was nothing dishonest on my end, but we see plenty of dishonesty on the neoatheist end. overflowing with it. Im sorry its nothing more than conflicting gibberish to you, its really quite simple to me, maybe reread the explanation and try to see what you missed in your intpretation.
     
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    So what is an example of a belief system that you would consider logical?
     
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    Here is a little bone for you to chew on.

    You are a senator.

    You have a choice, you can vote yes, no, or abstain from voting.

    For this example,

    casting a yes vote is the same as theist
    casting a no vote is the same as atheist
    abstain from casting a vote at all is the same as agnostic

    When you cast a vote you take a 'yes' or 'no' position, when you abstain from voting you take 'neither' a yes or a no position.

    Your agnostic atheist is a contradiction because you cannot abstain from casting a vote and take a position as an atheist at the same time. Well ok, you can if you want to contradict yourself.

    Now if you listen to the neoatheists logic is not relevant, its whatever politics they wish to pedal. They think abstention from voting and a no vote is the same thing!
    :roflol:

    WHat you know has nothing what so ever on your choice of belief, at best that only describes the 'strength of conviction' in your belief, not the resulting belief, hence why I told you that amount of knowledge is not relevant.
     
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    go back and look at my truth tables, theist, atheist, and agnostics work fine as long as people dont turn it into an abortion.
     
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    Is that the only way you can think about this topic? I’m not reasoning based on only three options. The premise that you are founding your judgement of neoatheism on is that you appear to believe that the way you see it is the only way it can be thought about. I don’t agree that there are only three choices. I have presented a pretty solid reason why I choose to call myself an agnostic atheist.

    Obviously if I were only given one choice of the three questions I wouldn’t choose two answers. You act as though the question were originally framed that way. I describe my status on the existence of God the way I depicted in the post earlier which is a thought model based on a quadrant system where you must choose two of four options that best describe your thinking.

    Also knowledge plays a big part in belief. I totally proportion my belief to evidence. Don’t you?
     
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    Proven what? What do you think you have proven? Other than that the rest of us are so very wrong about everything I mean.

    You think you have proven that agnostics both don't believe there is no God, and also believe there is no God? That's what you just quoted me telling you makes no sense. You think you've proven your contradiction is a reality?

    This is the funniest part of you. You think your precious TTs actually mean something. You think your circuits actually mean something. They don't mean any more than what I've written in words. They are completely superfluous and they are clearly confusing you as you try to overcomplicate.
     
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    And by your warped logic, in this analogy, you don't see a difference between not casting a yes vote, and casting a no vote. You think it is a distinction without difference.

    Just as you see no difference between not believing in God, and believing there is no God. You said its a distinction without a difference.

    Maybe this analogy will wake you up to your error. Or maybe you will continue to pretend you are smarter than everybody else.

    He/She defined agnostic differently than you did.

    Nobody said anything remotely like that, other than YOU.

    Swensson and I have continually stated that there IS a difference between not believing in God and believing there is no God. It is YOU who kept insisting there is no difference.

    Swensson and I, and your own dictionary definition YOU selected and quoted to us, all define atheist as not theist, or in your analogy here, not voting yes. Full stop. That is different from voting no. But you kept insisting it was the same. It is clear that you fail at reading my posts and Swensson's posts, but you don't even read and remember your own posts?
     
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    I have no intention of sorting through that upside down sideways convoluted **** mess you posted. wow!
    I do enjoy that it serves to prove how unreasonable and illogical neoatheists are though.


    sure but its not part of an answer that requires yes/no 'only'.

    no you do not, if you did you would be the first person in the history of mankind to prove that God either exists or does not exist.

    Like atheists and theists, your position is 'faith' based, while agnostic is 'fact' based

    You wind up joining my other opponents by using politically motivated reasoning rather than philosophical.

    Anyone that has followed my posts can easily see the mess that bird made out the hypothesis because he cannot wrap his mind around the complexities involved in the proofs, he chooses to simplify to the extreme and demonize me instead:

    reductio ad absurdum


    Definition of reductio ad absurdum

    1 : disproof of a proposition by showing an absurdity to which it leads when carried to its logical conclusion

    2 : the carrying of something to an absurd extreme


    They are trying to replace agnostic, an unassailable position with atheist LOL
    This of course violates LEM, and LNC, and they simply damn the torpedoes full speed ahead.

    I know all about your 4 quadrant, its cute for people who arent on the logic hot seat, but when you try to prove it logically you wind up with 3 choices. See how many universities cite your 4 quadrants as legitimate :) 4 quadrants are a bigger mess than my opponents post.

    The proper way to state that is to state one of the 3 choices, then state your conviction level.

    for instance you are agnostic, with strong conviction.
    or instead of the agnostic atheist nonsense, you would say you are a weak atheist.
    otherwise stating it as agnostic-atheist you are going to run into guys like me that will pin your ears to the wall that forces you to talk in circles and make up strawman arguments to give the appearance your ship isnt long sunk.


    Every new page they start a new round of rewind repeats!

    because they simply ignore citations and any premises that proves them wrong.
     
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    DRI,

    He means he won't understand what you wrote, insist on his own definition of words, which happen to conflict with what he himself says, and conflict with dictionary citations he chooses, and then declare that he has shown how very very wrong you are, even if you haven't made any arguments. Welcome to the Kokomojo circus.
     
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    says the person whos knowledge of logic is so advanced he cant even construct a truth table! :roflol:

    and using a circuit that you condemn was swenssons idea!

    DRI if you want a good dose of cognitive dissonance all you need do is jump on the neoatheist bandwagon.

    So far the penquins posts have distorted my position consistently, replacing precision with nonsense, and ironically in so many ways have unwittingly undermined swenssons position.

    when these guys are reduced to creating strawmen in attempts to keep their ball in play, they are operating outside their ability to prove their point.
     
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    one that proves its its positions. neither atheist nor theist are capable of doing so, I reject both propositions.

    Which is the 'only' position an agnostic can take that 'directly' answers the questions.
     
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    reduced to making false statements, its not MY definition FFS, I am not the creator.
     
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    That's not the definition I was referring to. I was referring to your definition of atheist, the one you play equivocation games with. But yes that IS your definition of agnostic. Meaning your preferred definition. It differs from DRI's preferred definition. And in talking to him, you did the same thing you did to everyone else, insist on using your rather than his preferred definition.
     
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