Is species betrayal a valid concept? - Or is extinction okay?

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  1. WillReadmore

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    We're getting there with that strategy on electricity. There are now companies that will install solar for FREE if you will share the energy cost savings with them. One catch is that your local grid has to be able to accept power created by you (backward running meters).

    As for algae, how much algae would be required to make 10% of our petro fuel requirement?
     
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    We could replace all petroleum with less acreage than we use to grow corn now. And it can be done in the ocean. The ideal sites are probably abandoned oil rigs; for example, in the Gulf of Mexico. Use the oil platform as a hub. And by growing algae in closed systems in the ocean, many problems like heat, the value of land, and taxes, go away. Give me a trillion dollars [half of an Iraq war but no casualties] and I'll have us running on algae in 10 years. I'm dead serious.

    I started a second company dedicated to doing this over ten years ago. But it was too soon with far too much research to be done. I just couldn't come up with a trillion dollars. :) But now oil companies are all over it. It is coming soon.
     
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    Yes, there are a LOT of things we could have done with a few trillion dollars that didn't involve killing Iraqis. I'll certainly grant you that!

    Think of where we could be on education, transportation, ENERGY, etc.

    What you mention sounds exciting, but I don't know the topic well.

    The Gulf certainly seems like a place where one could find an oil platform or two!!
     
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    No, give ME a trillion dollars. If you do, I'll split it with you 50/50.

    OK, 75% for you, only 25% for me.
     
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    What is the advantage of algae over natural gas? Both are a hydrocarbon. Burning either produces the same amount of Co2. So really it is just a cost comparison. Why spent a trillion dollars to replace what already exists?
     
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    Making a "closed system" in the ocean with only 50% of the acreage used to grow corn is a MASSIVE project with so many environmental risks it almost impossible to calculate - and on an unthinkable scale of potential devastation to life - all life - on earth.
     
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    It is well understood that manipulating nature usually has horrific consequences - the law of unintended consequences.

    Without a doubt, a new form of super algae would be created genetically to grow as rapidly as possible and in the most desired form. It would be impossible to contain it within such as massive size of operation - all in the violence of the Gulf of Mexico and oceans - meaning it spreads throughout every ocean in the world - with a billion years of evolutionary protection erased.

    The potential devastation to our oceans is beyond calculation since this is both a primary source of food and our primary source of oxygen - meaning the question is whether humanity and nearly all live on earth dies of lack of oxygen or starvation - all because it just seems cool to use the hydrocarbon of algae rather than natural gas - because natural gas is part of the evil petrochemical industry.
     
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    Frankly, you have no idea what you're talking about. I've worked this problem for over ten years. You have for ten minutes. And I had some leading experts involved as well; including the nation's foremost expert on biodiesel.

    Learn before speaking. Stop placing value on ignorance.
     
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    Hmm, I think you mis-read the intent of my post.

    The 1/2 with the IQ over 100 are NOT discussing "seeing value in long-term goals". No one is really. People are discussing what the tyrant manipulated media wants them to discuss.
     
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    Yep, which is the point of this post regarding the 1/2 of the population that could discuss solution. http://www.politicalforum.com/index...extinction-okay.539446/page-2#post-1069488030
     
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    I do. And I have dedicated much of my life to this effort.

    What have you done lately?
     
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    Giving up on doing the best to protect future generations is the ultimate immoral act.

    In reality, most of the time it's out of pure ignorance. Which is not a valid excuse once you are given the chance to become educated. I do believe that the greatest culpability goes to those who promote ignorance before education.
     
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    I travelled over 20 hours, over all, to get the opinion of one of the most well known constitutional scholars upon a strategy that invokes the constitutional duty of state legislations, but he would not comment so, I made a petition. You could sign it.
    https://www.change.org/p/romero-ins...onality-of-the-right-that-protects-all-rights

    I submitted a plan to a global competition for the best plan for governance, but apparently causing lawful government change was more than they could take and they removed my account months before the rigged contest concluded.
    http://algoxy.com/oxygen/globalchallenge.html

    That submittal used this strategy to restore constitutional government which is central to the strategy I tried to get Sheehan to comment on.
    http://algoxy.com/law/lawfulpeacefulrevolution.html

    I tried to provide a way for the Souix to filter the agents and provacatuers from their ranks before the effort to protect water was sabotaged.
    http://algoxy.com/law/treasonresist/standingrock.no.dapl.html

    It's been ten years, but I produced this 10 minute video about what happens if we do not change behaviors and absolutely protect the natural purity of air and water.


    I am currently trying to explain to people that climate change is not only caused by fossil fuels and is natural because the planet is tilting on its axis by 10 degrees in a cyclical wobble but government is concealing it with collusion with academia, media and corporations. Here is a list of evidence and things obviously not caused by carbon in the atmosphere that are caused by the stresses on earth from the axis shift.

    The ice is disappearing from the north pole because of an axial wobble noticed formally by the Inuit in 2014 when the sun moved in their sky and migratory animals changed their schedules. But NASA will not respond to their emails.

    http://www.whitewolfpack.com/2015/04/earth-has-shifted-inuit-elders-issue.html

    But NASA does say that ice is increasing at the south pole.

    (2014)
    https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum

    And there is confirming info.

    (2015)
    http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/03/world/antarctica-ice-gain/index.html

    Another view that includes north pole decreases and south pole increases.

    https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

    ICE MELTING FROM BELOW
    https://robinwestenra.blogspot.com/2018/07/shocking-sea-ice-thickness-data-from.html?spref=fb

    https://watchers.news/2016/11/30/snow-flood-saudi-arabia-november-2016/

    Does critical thinking serve us to indicate that the north pole is warming while the south is cooling. Is this consistent with the axis of the earth tilting towards the sun at the north pole?

    There are other factors
    We have severe vulcanism, carbon in the atmosphere does not do that.

    https://www.nps.gov/havo/planyourvisit/lava2.htm

    in more than 1 place.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/06/04/guatemala-fuego-volcano-eruption/668253002

    See the ring of fire
    https://www.volcanodiscovery.com/fuego/news.html

    A yellowstone park statement about the fissure there. They don't tell you there is 80 miles between those 2 points.
    “The Hidden Falls and Inspiration Point areas are currently closed due to elevated potential for rockfall. The area was closed to protect human safety on July 10 after expanding cracks in a rock buttress were detected. It is unknown how long the closure will be in effect. Geologists are monitoring the buttress for movement and have initiated a risk assessment for the area.”

    Then fissures all over the planet. Rain? I think not

    10-km-long earth crack opens on Elgeyo escarpment, Kenya
    A 10-km-long (6.2 miles) earth crack has emerged on the slopes of Elgeyo escarpment in western Kenya last week, following heavy rain in the region. There are more than 10 000 households living on the escarpment, a part of the western wall of the Great Rift Valley....
    May 31, 2018

    Over 300 homes destroyed after big cracks appear in Uganda
    Over 300 homes have been destroyed after several big cracks opened in Uganda's Namisinfwa district over the past couple of days. According to NTV Uganda, the cracks developed in Bupoto Sub County and Namisindwa town following heavy rain in the region. They go..
    May 24, 2018

    Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent splitting in two
    A large crack, stretching several kilometers, made a sudden appearance recently in south-western Kenya. The tear, which continues to grow, caused part of the Nairobi-Narok highway to collapse and was accompanied by seismic activity in the area. The Earth is an...
    March 30, 2018

    New crevasses near Suswa shield volcano raise concerns, Great Rift Valley, Kenya
    New crevasses appeared in Suswa shield volcano area, Kenya on March 19, 2018, severely damaging busy Mai Mahiu-Narok road just one week after a similar incident occurred on the same road. The tear is as much as 15 meters (50 feet) deep and more than 20 meters (65...
    March 20, 2018

    Large earth fissure discovered in Arizona
    A new earth fissure, about 3.2 km (2 miles) long, was discovered 16 km (10 miles) SSW of Picacho Peak State Park of Arizona Trust Land in southern Pinal County, Arizona this month. The new fissure is oriented roughly north-south, and it parallels other fissures in...
    January 25, 2017
     

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    Have you started to work your way through my actions to try and assure our species continues with its evolution?
     

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