Is Sweden Bracing For War With Russia - Or For A Civil War?

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  1. Jestsayin

    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're dangerous in your naivety, do you know that?
     
  3. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So . . . are you going to tell us which ones?
     
  4. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    I'll leave that as an exercise for the reader. I know Saudi and Iran does it, but only from time to time, in fact they're the only ones I'm sure of. Death for Apostasy is sort of like how the Bible says we should stone gays and those who mix wool and cotton in their clothing, mainly brought up by those who want to attack us and utterly ignored by sane people.


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  5. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    To who and how?
     
  6. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Answer my question above, viz. are you going to tell us which ones, and I'll answer yours?
     
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  7. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    People who go to join Islam know what the law is going in, so yes, it's voluntary in that sense.
     
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    So it's suicide by proselytism? :roflol:
     
  9. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    OK, I just did, Saudi and Iran are the only countries I'm sure of. Mind, I said that in reply to an assertion by someone else that apostasy is punishable by death in muslim countries. I made no such assertion, so shouldn't have to defend it.

    Now, please tell my why the assertion that Putin's perfidy should be prudently perused makes one a perilous patsy
     
  10. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    In a sense. Most conversions are. You kill the old self and are reborn. You burn the bridge, there is no turning back. This is why I profess no faith, I cannot be converted.
     
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    What for Russia need it ?Why does Russia need this?
    Can you explain this?
     
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    Alliteration aside, to which act of his perfidy do you refer? I need to know that in order to answer your question?
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    Multi-culturalism is fine when the mix is homogenous, meaning when the integration is fine. Successful integration however can only work when there's a national identity, which serves as a goal for all who aspire to it. As an exemple the US, with its strong national identity, would make it a place where immigration would integrate best.

    For all their "liberalness", the Scandinavian countries are, in short, quite socially exclusive in the way they treat non-natives, a trait that generally please conservatives. The result, of course, are ghettoes, where the immigrants congregate, making a society of their own, with mixed results.

    That being said, Sweden's scene is subjected to an anal scrutiny by Trump fans of late, in the hope to prove that some of the things he said weren't utter codswallop.
     
  14. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Oh come now, he is known as a perfidious individual. Any and all potential and actual acts of clever evil are our object of discussion My question is how does our concern in these matters, our being watchful and cautious in dealing with an individual I believe may be the cleverest world leader extant, pose a danger to us, and how is it naive?
     
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    Immigrants will always seek out any diaspora before even dreaming about integrating. Which of us, if we migrated to another country, wouldn't move to a place where there are others like us? None, is the answer to that, so in short - integration does not work! Different cultures simply don't mix, because they'll all want to prevail over the others. Same with religion.
     
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    How can I criticize anyone if I don't know what they've done to deserve it? You could have answered my question is half as many words as you posted above.
     
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    Well it sure does have some problems??
     
  19. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    When I travel I seek out places that are as much unlike home as possible. I have moved 4 times in my life, twice because I had to and twice voluntarily. I would honestly become very unhappy were I told I had to live in the same place and around the same people for all the rest of my life. I realize I am not like everybody but I have run across and heard or read of enough people like me that I don't see myself as that uncommon either. I don't want to prevail over anybody. I want to live my life in comfort and appreciate the beauty which the variety of the Earth affords. I mix well with anyone and I think enough other people do too so that we can all live together, even with those like you.
     
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    Indeed you're not - I'd hazard a guess that for every 1 like yourself there are 100 who are far less tolerant. There's no one-size-fits all in this immigration controversy.
     
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    Most people want to be around others like themselves. This is true even when people are forced to be together, and when they share economic interests. Historians have argued for a long time over why the US did not develop a mass socialist movement, unlike the other advanced capitalist countries. Usually, they point to American prosperity as the reason, but I think that one of the main causes was the fact that the industrial working class in late 19th early 20th Century America was deeply fractured along national lines: there were sometimes as many as a dozen different languages spoken in a steel mill. National consciousness suppressed class consciousness. And of course the Black/white divide is stark.


    However, the more educated and intelligent you are, the less likely is this to be the case, because you can appreciate other cultures more easily, and people "like you" mean people who are also intelligent and educated, regardless of their cultural/tribal background. If you're white and you've got a degree in mathematics, you'd probably rather have dinner with a Chinese or Iranian mathematician than a white cable guy.


    Hopefully, as the human race crawls slowly up the mountain towards full civilization, more and more people will be like this. We're not there yet.
     
  22. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    And you would have still missed my point entirely. I am not asking you to criticize Putin.

    Natty Bumpoo said:

    Confronting Putin's perfidy should be a coordinated NATO priority.

    And you said:

    You're dangerous in your naivety, do you know that?

    To which I replied:

    To who and how?

    Now answer that last question
     
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    Well I'm certainly not going to enter into a 3-party conversation, especially when one of them is demanding that I answer questions when he doesn't answer them himself. So I'm outta here!
     
  24. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    I disagree, I think most people are like me, not because we are tolerant but because we like to avoid trouble and turmoil while still not liking to be bored. We don't always and automatically like new things and people but we go along to get along, and pretty soon find ourselves liking the new thing, and being enriched
     
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    Do you mean even when those foreigners are determinedly hell-bent on changing your country's culture, judiciary, and religion - you'll just take it lying down?
     

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