Is Sweden Bracing For War With Russia - Or For A Civil War?

Discussion in 'Latest US & World News' started by Jeannette, Jan 20, 2018.

  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Right, your spelling on "I didn't really know what I was talking about, so I'm just going to be rude and leave" is a little off.

    Pity, I wondering how you were going to say it WAS somehow both dangerous and naive to be careful when dealing with a very dangerous man.
     
  2. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Maybe. I have to respect other's freedom, even if I disagree with what they want. That is the actual "price of freedom" you hear so much about. I have to let others do what I disagree with or they are under no obligation to let me do what they disagree with. Assuming, of course, that everything under question is legal

    (No one is ever obligated to die for his country, that is not the "price of freedom" You may be obligated to make someone else die for theirs but that is rather clearly not the same thing)
     
  3. Canell

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    The American "melting pot" is not exactly multiculturalism.
    Birds of a feather flock toghether.
    What's wrong with Protestants living in the Protestant world, Catholics in the Catholic world, Shia Muslim in the Shia world, Suni Muslims in the Suni world, Hindus in the Hindu world, etc? Why the fake do you you have to mix them together?
     
  4. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    To Putin and his groveling dupes? No, my support for democracies guarding against his sabotaging their elections has negligible impact.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'd ask you in what precise way his 'sabotaging' :roll: actually perverted the presidential election, but I've asked that same question of others but have never had a reply to it, and I can't see it being any different if I ask you. So I won't!!
     
  6. Pisa

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    This is correct - with the exception of "a trait that generally please conservatives", since it's a common feature of all European countries (mindset, not ideology) - and it explains why the European brand of multiculturalism has failed miserably. The goal of European multiculturalism is not integration, but preservation of original cultures of immigrants. Simply put, Europeans see multiculturalism as a goal in itself, not the means to achieve integration.
     
  7. RUS

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    You did not answer. Consequently, you do not know this.
    Your propaganda has not explained this to you.
    Your propaganda does not know? Maybe your propaganda lies? :smile:
     
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  8. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    I didn't answer because I didn't notice it (the alerts should click off one-by-one not all once,) Nonetheless, you're right, I don't know why the Russians would want it and am not really sure they do. However, eating up nations at the borders has been an established policy ot the entity called Russia for well over 200 years and I don't see any real indication that it doesn't remain a characteristic tendency of theirs to this day. Putin is a clever man and he may see that territorial conquest is a mug's game in the modern world, but he also has the weakness of being a profound traditionalist and this is one of Russia's stronger traditions
     
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    And that is why Jeannette ardently supports it. She is the female version of Destroyer of Illusions, a Russian stooge, paid 4 radishes per post.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    :roll: She obviously says stuff you don't want to hear - for whatever reason!
     
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    I obviously said something you don't want to hear -for an obvious reason.
     
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    Better stick to a Civil War - at least some Swedes might win!
     
  13. Natty Bumpo

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    The Trump Justice Department Special Counsel has not confided in me regarding the progress his team has made in uncovering the specifics concerning the FBI's, NSA's, and CIA's finding that the US was also subjected to Russia's covert meddling as has occurred in the elections of Austria, France, Germany and other Western democracies.

    Obviously, it is a matter of vital national security to expose those details - in accordance with the mandate of the Trump Justice Department to their Special Counsel, as well as the mission of the Republican-run Senate's and Republican-run House's investigative committees.
     
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    You may be right.
     
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    You can't compare the Canadian immigration success story with some of the European disaster stories. Canada have done it sensibly. I'm sure @Canell wasn't applying that to the entire globe.
     
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    Yeah, except Christians aren't going around stoning gays and those who wear certain clothes. Where the hell do YOU live?

    Can you rephrase? Who wants to attack? Who is "us?
     
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    1) 200 years ago, this is 1800. In those days, all strong states sought to increase their territory.Conquered colonies.
    You have no reason to blame Russia for this now.
    2) There is no indication that Russia (Putin) wants to conquer Sweden.
    There is no indication that Russia is trying to conquer its neighbors now. I know what you will say about the Crimea, but this is the Russian land and even the Ukrainians know this.
    Do you really think that Russia " eating up nations” of the Crimea? :)

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    They've been brainwashed since birth and will always blame Russia for everything.
     
  19. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    You have to have brains to brainwash. Americans who want to brainwash our own citizens have never been very good at it because we're basically just not that smart. Our heyday of brainwashing was the 1950's and it fell off in effectiveness very rapidly since then, though it's never really gone away.

    I agreed in the beginning that Putin probably sees foreign conquest as a mug's game. Vladimir Putin is a very smart man, quite possibly the smartest world leader today. He knows what's beneficial to a nation and what's not.

    However, there are good historic and geographic reasons for Russia being the largest nation in the world by a pretty fair amount, and the Russian people have followed those imperatives with more than a little gusto. In fact, only we Americans rival them in this respect, at least historically, so please don't try to deny that a tendency to territorial ambition is a Russian characteristic. It takes one to know one.
     
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    I've lived in Sweden for 20 years +.
    There are no "no-go zones" as there is in war-torn countries or lets say countries like Mexico, Colombia etc.

    But there are plenty and I mean plenty of places where I would never go by my self, I would never in my life recommend a girl wandering around there by her self. What do those places have in common? Muslim Immigrants.

    Its easy as that. There are no Svensson ghettos where Swedish lads rape women and sell drugs, there just arent. So in a way there are plenty of no-go zones. Near where I live they shoot regularly fireworks at fire fighters, ambulance workers, police etc. I see it at least once a week.There usually arab gangs wondering around during the working days, all of them have nice cars. I bet that comes from 8h working every day.
     
  21. Jeannette

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    The intent of the Crusades were to free the lands of the Roman Empire (Byzantine) from the Muslims, but after having fought the Muslims, the Western kings and nobility refused to give the lands back to the Emperor. (Sound familiar?) It was probably their downfall, since most of the people in the Middle East were Greek Christians, and not under the Franco-Latin Pope. They no doubt felt culturally closer to the Arab Muslims, than to the Western Crusaders - who seemed to excel more in arrogance than and greed than in anything else. :roll:
     
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    There won't be a civil war in Sweden, there won't be war between Sweden and Russia.
    Just like last year, when the OP claimed the German government was preparing its people for war, which never came.
    This meaningless storm in a teapot thread will disappear evenutally and something else will come up.
     
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    Not to condemn all Sunni Muslims, (because most prefer a free society), but those youths have an agenda. If the police, ambulances and firemen cannot enter, then they will be allowed to form their own protection units, and the area will end up under the control of sharia law. I don't doubt the cars are given and paid for by Saudi Arabia. I wonder if anyone in Sweden checked to find out what the Imams are telling them?

    It's part of Islamic belief that any land they have lived on is Islamic holy land, and must be retained at all costs - or recovered if it was lost. (Israel's a perfect example of that). So the Muslim areas in Europe now belongs to them - and no one will be able to take them away without a fight. (Civil war anyone?)

    When the Albanian Muslim terrorists used the same methods to take Kosovo away from Serbia, and Clinton supported them by bombing Belgrade and killing thousands, did Sweden object? For that matter did any European nation object other than Russia? They shouldn't be complaining now. It's known as 'justice'.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Did it ever occur to you, that there are people in the US with a sense of right and wrong? We are wrong, and have been for quite a few decades. I just didn't realize it until we began destroying the most secular nation in the Middle East to topple the most tolerant leader in the Middle East.

    Russia has not made one single move against the US or EU that was not defensive in nature, and a response to some made up lie and aggression of Washington. That it ended up backfiring on the US and EU, was their just reward
     
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    The latest is that Tillerson blames Russia for the chemical attack Assad committed although there is no proof.
     

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