Is the Catholic concept of Purgatory more accurate than heaven vs hell?

It means I'm speaking to you in your own troll language. lol lol lol

 

To the best of my knowledge purgatory is no longer part of the Catholic teaching.

 

You could be correct but I read that Roman Catholic officials were among the first to contact Mr. Colton Burpo to see if he was interested in working with them.

https://www.thecatholicthing.org/2014/05/07/heaven-is-for-real-and-the-gospel-of-life/

 

Wow.......

http://www.ewtn.com/v/experts/showmessage.asp?number=604990

 

Here is an NDE by somebody with a Catholic background....



Near Death Experiences - NDE - Catholic Upbringing ( NDEaccounts )

 

Guess we'll all know in the not to far future. Heaven is my only concern and I "believe" that settles it for me.

 

Good point....... but here is an absolutely brilliant interview that in my opinion has the power and the wisdom in it to encourage some of us to
begin to take step after halting step in the general direction of.......... light, truth, love..... and the possibility of a Loving Creator.......

Howard Storm Ph. D. quotes Mother Theresa ..... She was asked what is the best religion....... She wisely replies........ "I love all religions but I love mine the best."..... Or something like that......
and I think it is wisdom of that type that actually has Howard Storm Ph. D. wondering if he should become Roman Catholic?






http://www.geocities.ws/lauho08/mother_teresa_on_christianity_and_other_religions.html

Mother Teresa on Christianity and Other Religions

The following passages are quotations of Mother Teresa from the book "We Do it for Jesus," by Edward Le Joly.

 

Purgatory is simply an adaptation of an earlier Jewish belief.

 

I agree......
the Roman Catholic concept of Purgatory did indeed come from
Jewish beliefs regarding the afterlife.

I regard Rabbi Alon Anava one of the best teachers regarding the afterlife.......
for somebody who is Jewish........ but I have listened to this and similar videos by him four or five times.
Fasctinating stuff.....

 

do like the example of Mother Theresa. Somehow I think she rose above her religion with her acts of mercy. Wonder how she felt about the religious cover-up of so many Priests molesting little boys. Wonder if she called her Pope "father" in spite of the fact Jesus said "call no man father but your father that is in heaven? I don't for one second believe she prayed in vain repetition like the heathen and she probably adhered more to a personal prayer.....sort of like the model Jesus gave us in what we call "The Lords Prayer". Wonder if she did Hail Mary's?
We have a Bible for crying out loud. Why do people have to decide if they are going to join a Roman Catholic Church, Mormon Church etc. Why join a religion that lays on such a heavy burden when Jesus told us his yoke was light? I love corporate worship but why do we need things beyond Jesus?

 

I don't know for certain yet if I am going to choose a church to join or not...........
I am conflicted... .but I was impressed by the responses that I got to this
discussion on an L.D.S. forum:

Comparing Prophet Joseph Smith and Howard Storm Ph.D?

I would like to do a poll..... .I think I know the answer already but I personally have similar reasons for

altering my life radically after reading many near death experience accounts. I am going to use former ATheist Howard Storm Ph. D.

as our example because I truly was blown away by his book..... My Descent Into Death.



Would you say that former Atheist Howard Storm Ph. D. received his astounding information from the same source as

Prophet Joseph Smith?

https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2017/10/gods-compelling-witness-the-book-of-mormon?lang=eng

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For exactly the same reasons as why the article asserts that Joseph Smith must have been a prophet........

I regard that the insights on the future given to former Atheist Howard Storm Ph. D. during his near death experience

have the power to bring many thousands to genuine repentance. Howard Storm gives us reason to hope for the future and

wow, but what he was shown helps to make sense out of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and the minor prophets!



https://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html#a04



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At the thirteen minute mark in this video there is some interesting information about reincarnation........

 

Good point.......
I could be wrong but I do think that a better understanding of this could lead to a decrease in Protestant pastors committing suicide......

In the book Transformed By the Light by Dr. Melvin Morse a study was referred to in which one group of people who had recently attempted suicide where simply given near death experience accounts to read. Zero people from that group attempted suicide again during the duration of that study..... .which to my thinking indicates that NDE accounts can be one part of a full course of treatment for suicidal tendencies.

 

Something like purgatory would help resolve contradictions in NDE claims. It would also be a more rational course for God to take than an arbitrary (pardon the pun) deadline.

 

The idea of purgatory is offensive nonsense, as if Christ's sacrifice on the cross for our sins wasn't enough, or that we can in any way earn or pay for our salvation. It is no different than false religions that are works based. There was no purgatory for the thief on the cross, Jesus told him, "TODAY you will be with Me in paradise."

 

The more that I research this the more convinced I become that the Life Review can be so traumatic for many that it works somewhat like the idea of Purgatory.

A Life Review that is beyond iMax where you feel what is felt by anybody we hurt......
that could be rather traumatic to imagine.....


The Life Review and the Near-Death Experience

A life review is promised in the Christian Bible.....

Heb 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:


Jhn 5:22
For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

John 5:27
And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

 

Guess that river has to be crossed when one gets to the near bank.

 

You (like many non-Catholics) misinterpret what purgatory is. Purgatory is not an alternative to heaven or hell. Purgatory is a stage on the way to heaven.

From the Catholic Catechism: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a12.htm
1030 All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven.

1031 The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned.606 The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:607
As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come.608
1032 This teaching is also based on the practice of prayer for the dead, already mentioned in Sacred Scripture: "Therefore [Judas Maccabeus] made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin."609 From the beginning the Church has honored the memory of the dead and offered prayers in suffrage for them, above all the Eucharistic sacrifice, so that, thus purified, they may attain the beatific vision of God.610 The Church also commends almsgiving, indulgences, and works of penance undertaken on behalf of the dead:
Let us help and commemorate them. If Job's sons were purified by their father's sacrifice, why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them.61

 

You are incorrect. Limbo is no longer part of Catholic Teaching, but purgatory still is. Below is a link to the Catholic Catechism that explains it briefly.

http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a12.htm

 

Purgatory is another name for the final purification of the elect. It's a stage on the way to heaven.

1 Cor 3:15;
But if someone’s work is burned up, that one will suffer loss; the person will be saved but only as through fire.
1 Pet 1:6:7.
In this you rejoice, although now for a little while you may have to suffer through various trials, so that the genuineness of your faith, more precious than gold that is perishable even though tested by fire, may prove to be for praise, glory, and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Purgatory is the testing through fire. Purgatory doesn't necessarily take time, so yes, the thief could go through purgatory and end up in paradise today.