Is the 'right to bear arms' unlimited?

Guns are as bad as Heroin -- they cause no harm themselves, but they greatly enable the causing of harm.

 

I do support Welfare State and help for all people in need.

 

I am ok with legalizing all drugs. Set up the Walmart of drug stores. The weed aisle, the crack aisle, the mushroom aisle, the heroin aisle, the pain killer aisle, etc.

Do that and let the chips fall where they may. Some broke homes, some prison, some will overdose either from too much or terrible cocktail, but eventually society will learn how to treat drugs the way most generally treat alcohol.

 

So, you admit that guns do not cause harm. Then there is no reason to go after them because going after them does not solve anything worthwhile.

 

As you are presumably aware, many think that easier gun availability leads to more and more dangerous crime, while gun control leads to less and less dangerous crime. The fact that gun availability alone won't make someone kill doesn't change that. Nothing alone makes people commit any crime. Heroin availability alone doesn't make people take heroin, but if heroin is easily available, heroin use will go up. Leaving the prison doors open alone won't make convicts flee prison, but if you leave prison door open, escapes will go up. Access to nukes alone won't make N. Korea nuke us. But if they have access to nukes, they become a lot more dangerous.

 

Wow, Russia. A dictatorship. And the rest, third world countries with most controlled by fascist regimes.

 

Guns enable harm like Fentanyl.

 

After spending about 15 years online seeing and engaging in the back and forth on guns, I’ve found that “easy access to guns” is a euphemism for “if there is a legal way to get the gun, no matter how difficult (NYC), then those guns are too easy to get.”

 

So how much fraud has Trump revealed in courts through the legal system ? Answer. None, zero, nada. Yet, his minions keep up the hype, the same BS about every-other ridiculous idea propagated by the gop.

 

More guns, more gun violence.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/danvergano/more-guns-more-crime

 

What do you expect ? Their primary source is Fix News. They refuse to look at court findings where Trumps lawyers have filed complaints. No evidence of any fraud. You won’t find that on Fix News.

 

The most ridiculous idea is that more guns mean fewer gun deaths. Just the opposite is true.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/danvergano/more-guns-more-crime

 

So you ignore what I actually said in order to argue against another position you'd rather argue against. That's called a Straw Man.

 

I agree with President Trump on some issues and disagree with him on other issues.

I am 100% against guns and 100% for Welfare State. Thus I am not Conservative.

I am 100% against Identity Politics and Censorship. Thus I am not Liberal.

 

As do knives, hammers, ropes, belts, etc.

And no, guns aren't as bad as heroin.

 

Very few people would be able to commit murder with a knife.

 

The issues that Trump is “right” about doesn’t exist except by chance . He doesn’t believe in science. He deals in fantasies and starts out with false information.

Then you’re a conservative. Conservatives are 100% about many things, when in reality, the world is a balance. Firearms in the hands of military and law enforcement and civilians who qualify, have a place. Because I’m liberal, I get that.
Medicare for all is not a welfare state. It’s no more welfare then plowing all public roads so everyone, even the poor, has freedom on public roads and also makes us a welfare state. Affordable medical care means it has to be non profit. Medicare for all is cheaper and healthier for everyone. It’s not a liberal/conservative issue. It’s constitutional and an economic issue.

liberals are the opposite. Look up the definition of “ liberal” in ANY dictionary. You can’t be a liberal and suppress votes and not provide every person with equal opportunity.

 

I agree with that.

 

Definitions are limits boundaries are limits outside and inside are limits.

If I'm driving outside of recommended speed I am passing the speed limit. That's what limit means.

 

I agree with that also.

 

Do you know what it means for a civilian to qualify? No felonies, no history of violence. Being aged 21 or older to buy a pistol 18 or older to buy a shotgun or rifle.

These are the legal qualifications that exist now.

 

Sadly even such people

1) Commit suicide and homicide

2) Let their guns be stolen/used by those who commit murder or suicide

 

The statement you agreed to was that qualified citizens should allowed to have guns. You need to correct yourself. You don't think qualified civilians should be allowed to have guns.

Also if you let someone take something that's giving it away it's not being stolen. When someone steals something from you they're doing it without your permission so you didn't let them.

 

Lots of liberals are against identity politics (depending on how you define it) and censorship. Plenty of conservatives are for both.

 

Karma to Classical Liberals!