Is the spirit of Hitler rising up one more time in Germany?

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Could anti-Semitism arise again in Germany?

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  2. Yes

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  3. No... we are in a whole new era and age now.

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  4. Yes... anti-Semitism is not yet gone from the earth.

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  5. I find this hard to imagine but this is a scary thought.

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is a pretty shocking thing to hear but I have to admit as a Theist the idea of a Great Tribulation in the latter days did seem to go along with another attempt at The Holocaust.



    At the 17 minute mark in this video:

    Philosophically..... I am a believer in non-linear time / applied Multiverse Theory and I believe that this can be prevented....... It will help if people know more about what was really happening behind the scenes in the higher invisible dimensions of space and time during The Holocaust.

     
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    Near death experiencer Dannion Brinkley was shown about 117 events from the future but he was shown that if.......
    we humans will change our ways...... many of the predicted disasters could be delayed and delayed and delayed..... and even prevented altogether.

    This particular prediction that has not happened yet could be evidence for G-d..... applying some variation of Multiverse Theory?

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ltiverse-theory.424926/page-6#post-1067033446
    The Philosophical implications of Multiverse Theory?

    https://www.near-death.com/science/research/future.html#a03
     
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    There are predictions that the Arab countries will "eat" Israel and butcher millions of Jews.
    I think we should look for the connection between Hitler and Islam. Not to mention that Germany is full of Muslims nowadays.

    :lonely:
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This guy spent a lot of time in Germany during the 1930's:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini
    ......
     
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    Yes, 5,5% of the population, not even remotely "full of."
     
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    Just the Turks in Germany are at least 4 million, which is 5% of the population.
    How about the Arabs and the hordes of young :Syrians" that flooded Germany since 2015?
    Who are you kidding?
     
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    I'm not kidding anybody and your assumptions are wrong. Instead of posting your own made up numbers, you could have used google for five minutes, reality and perception are not the same, and I live in Germany so I think I know a thing or two about this.
    I know that especially our 'merican friends on this board are almost obsessed with 'Muslim flood in Europe/Germany', the real numbers say something very different, but we can't fight silly emotions with numbers, unfortunately.

    Turks in Germany and people of Turkish origin combined: 2,86 million.
    Offizielle Daten aus dem Jahr 2017 beziffern die Zahl der türkischen Staatsbürger in Deutschland mit 1,48 Millionen. Wenn türkischstämmige Menschen mit doppelter Staatsangehörigkeit oder nur mit dem deutschen Pass einberechnet werden, lebten 2015 2,86 Millionen Personen dieser Gruppe in Deutschland.
    https://www.huffingtonpost.de/entry...en-in-deutschland_de_5b111570e4b023ad6ac0cc2b
    Roughly 1,4 million 'Turks' have either dual citizenship or German citizenship only (Mesut Özil and Cem Özdemir being examples).

    2,85 million Turks/people of Turkish origin:
    https://www.srf.ch/news/infografik/...ands-tuerken-in-deutschland-zahlen-und-fakten

    Number of Muslims:
    Today, roughly 4.5 million Muslims live in Germany, accounting for about 5.5% of the total population. A substantial number of them are German citizens.

    https://www.bmi.bund.de/EN/topics/c...-conference/german-islam-conference-node.html

    Here's an academic study that says 4,4 - 4,7 million Muslims in Germany, the numbers are, however, from Dez 2015.
    http://www.bamf.de/SharedDocs/Anlag...uslime-deutschland.pdf?__blob=publicationFile

    Five largest groups of immigrants in 2015 (Fortzüge means 'people that left')
    1. Syrien: 327.000 (Fortzüge: 10.000)
    2. Rumänien: 213.000 (Fortzüge: 127.000)
    3. Polen: 196.000 (Fortzüge: 132.000)
    4. Afghanistan: 94.000 (Fortzüge: 5.000)
    5. Bulgarien: 84.000 (Fortzüge: 46.000)
    https://mediendienst-integration.de/migration/wer-kommt-wer-geht.html

    The numbers for 2016 are very precise.
    548,146 Muslims immigrated into Germany (page 25)
    https://www.bamf.de/SharedDocs/Anla...amt-in-zahlen-2016.pdf?__blob=publicationFile

    The numbers for 2017 are a lot lower, e.g. 55,551 Syrians, 47,750 Turks.
    https://de.statista.com/statistik/d...laender-der-zuwanderer-nach-deutschland-2009/

    The number of Muslims in Germany is pretty small despite some people claiming otherwise.
     
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    Quatsch!

     
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    I provided more than enough sources, if you decide to believe only what you want to believe, that's up to you. 5,5 million out of 82 million is small, even ten percent would still be small, simple fact, has nothing to do with "Quatsch" just because you don't like those numbers.
     
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    My German friends will tell you quickly that today in Germany anybody who is even remotely acting "Nazi-ish" is hunted, chased-down, demonstrated against, investigated by the German "FBI", and treated with no tolerance at all! Neo-Nazis in Germany have no freedom of speech, no freedom to assemble, no ability to display their party ensignia, and can't even sing their faction's songs. If you even raise your right arm in what someone may think is a suspicious way, you run a very real risk of being arrested and charged with a crime!

    Germans have become very Left-wing, very committed to 'diversity'-intense socialism, and very anti-Nazi! Nearly any German under the age of about 35 goes into bug-eyed, foaming-at-the-mouth fits at the mere mention of the word, "Nazi"....
     
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    That is good to know.......
    but the extreme political left tend to go all Fascist......
    over political incorrectness which as we can see from what happened in Russia, China, Vietnam, Korea and eastern Europe..... can actually result in something that actually functions much like Nazism.


     
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    was rising here in the USA, remember the "fine people" trump called that were chanting "blood and soil, Jews wont replace us"
     
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    I have never ever seen anybody under the age of 35 going into 'bug-eyed, foaming-at-the-mouth fits at the mere mention of the word, "Nazi"' (including myself) and I've been living here pretty much all my life. One really has to wonder why so many people make up nonsense to get their point across. It seems facts are either too boring or too complicated. Neither is the political landscape very left-wing, the center-left SPD has been losing votes for years, the far-right AFD has been winning votes for roughly two years now, the former far-left Green party has moved to the center considerably, and the center FDP entered parliament again last year after having been kicked out by the voters five years ago.
     
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    On the rise? How many protesters are you speaking of? Can you also link us to where Trump said Nazis are fine people? The interview I just watched he's referring to American protesters exercising their rights to protest.
     
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    that was a lot of them, then to have the president do what he did, sadly that means they gaining support on the right - before that I did not really know there were so many in the USA that hated Jews
     
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    Tatsächlich? Maybe you missed out on events as recent as those in Chemnitz a couple of months ago... and the condemnations that poured out of the Merkel government against "Nazis" (actually, a veiled swipe at the AfD)...? Did you miss the 'kommentar' by Justice Minister Heiko Maas? Who pulled his chain? :lol: Link: https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/03/europe/chemnitz-germany-anti-racism-concert-intl/index.html

    Does either the Bundesnachrichtendienst or Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz "investigate" those on the hyperliberal Left in Germany today with the same, uh, enthusiasm that it does the AfD or any of those among the German Right...?!

    Was it only last year that the German Minister of Defense, Ursula von der Leyen, got so spun-up over the "political INcorrectness" of photos of former post-war German Chancellor, Helmut Schmidt as a Lieutenant in the Wehrmacht, that she commanded that all of them removed from walls on all German government facilities! For over eight years (from 1974 to 1982), Helmut Schmidt was surely one of the better Chancellors that you in Germany EVER had, and (dare I say it) a hell of a lot better than Angela Merkel ever was, or will be....

    [​IMG]. Pulled off the walls on all German government buildings -- POLITICALLY INCORRECT! :omfg:
     
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    Germany is full of Muslims, hmmm I am sure there are still Germans in Germany..
     
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    Yes, of course, but for how long? You can check out the fertility rate among Germans and muslims.
     
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    Two simple questions were asked and neither answered. Thank you
     
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    Ja, tatsächlich. You’re putting things into a context where they don’t belong. You claimed that “Nearly any German under the age of about 35 goes into bug-eyed, foaming-at-the-mouth fits at the mere mention of the word, "Nazi", which is simply false. You claimed that “Germans have become very left-wing”, which is simply not correct either, and I’ve already briefly explained the political landscape. I’m not sure what these awfully superficial statements are for, I can only shake my head when I read stuff like that. Is this absurdly simplified and incorrect black-n-white stuff meant to be taken seriously? That's not personal, rather a general observation.

    Now your examples, which, btw, do in no way support your incorrect claims mentioned above. An anti-racism concert in Chemnitz. So? I’m fully aware of that concert. And? Does this concert mean “Nearly any German under the age of about 35 goes into bug-eyed, foaming-at-the-mouth fits at the mere mention of the word, "Nazi”?
    Ever heard of the Cologne campaign Arsch huh, Zäng ussenander from the early 90s? November '92, 100,000 at a concert in Cologne. Anti-racism concerts have been around for decades, you're not really trying to say that these concerts and rallies mean “Germans have become very left-wing”?

    The AFD is not observed by the Verfassungsschutz, it has been an on-off topic for a while as some people in that party are so far-right that even the AFD itself felt the need to expel them.
    https://www.google.de/search?source.....gws-wiz.....0..0i131j0i10i3j0i3.agCB4GbO2pc

    The party Die Linke, however, just like all communist groups, has been observed in the past.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=AFD+beobachtung+verfassungsschutz&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b

    No, it wasn't last year, it was in 2015. And yes, Schmidt was probaly the best chancellor yet, but that's very subjective. Your claim that all pics of Helmut Schmidt were taken down in all government facilities is wrong. U. von der Leyen simply doesn’t have authority over all government facilities, she only has authority over Bundeswehr facilities. This is a perfect example of this awfully superficial stuff I mentioned earlier.
    After the events around future officer Franco A., which you should be familiar with when talking about these events, if not, google the name, von der Leyen ordered to search barracks and Bundeswehr facilities - not 'all government facilities' - for Wehrmacht symbols. The Bundeswehr Uni took Schmidt’s pic down (2015), students, future officers, immediately put it back up in a different hall. Even the ministry of defense said that the university was not ordered to remove the pic, the uni, for some reason, did it nonetheless. Schmidt’s pic has been back in its original place since June 2017.
    https://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/ze...mut-schmidt-wehrmachtsfoto-bundeswehr-hamburg
    U. von der Leyen did not command Schmidt's pics to be taken down and her initiative to search Bundeswehr facilities for Wehrmacht symbols was criticized by some. To me it looked a lot like blind activism. I definitely agree that political correctness can take utterly absurd forms. For the record, have never voted for Merkel or supported her in any way.
     
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    See what happens when you allow Protestantism..?
     
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    I said it was a lot of them marching, sorry I did not go out there to the march and count them for you

    so how many was there, did you count how many "fine people" out there chanting with tiki touches "blood and soil, jews will not replace us"
     
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    I also asked you for the quote, another thing you refused to cite. You refused to cite where Trump called Nazis very fine people. If you're just going to keep refusing to cite that he said "Nazis are very fine people"...no need to reply.
     
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    Wow!!!

    That is a perfect example of how whatever new form of Nazism rises up in Germany...... all they have to do is be virulent anti-Israel to be anti-Semitic.
     
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    First, I'm very glad to hear that Helmut Schmidt's picture is has been put back up where it belongs... it was a stupid shame that it was ever disturbed in the first place.

    Next, I noticed that your links to 'observation' by various German intelligence services has, indeed, focused on the AfD, along with other groups on the Right in Germany. The Left is very, very strong in Germany, and that's part of why women aren't safe on German streets of large cities any more
    First, I'm very glad to hear that Helmut Schmidt's picture is has been put back up where it belongs... it was a stupid shame that it was ever disturbed in the first place by these dithering über-Leftists.

    Next, I noticed that your links to 'observation' by various German intelligence services have, indeed, revealed a clear focus on the AfD, along with other groups on the Right in Germany. The Left is very, very strong in Germany, and that's part of why women aren't safe on German streets of large cities any more. The Left has applauded this concept of one big "pan-Europa" -- complete with a big mixture of all kinds of useless, unruly mobs from Africa and the Middle East. You can thank Kanzlerin Merkel for that -- even though the CDU she has lead is still considered "middle-of-the-road" in Germany. What kind of road has it been? Not one that has been good for Germany! More like AC-DC's "Highway to Hell".... And the Left and the 'Greens' want it to be even more radically internationalist and socialist than Germany is already.

    Obviously, this entails an encompasses all discussions in Germany among the young (mostly) concerning "racism" -- and its inevitably concomitant 'whipping boy' -- "National Socialism" and anything in support of German nationalism. Don't you remember what happened with all the rioting in Hamburg earlier this year? THAT was the radical Left wing in action -- causing €12 million in damage to rage against all the things they hate -- the G20 and capitalistic business, racism, Nazism, and all the rest of it. What about Köln? What about Garmisch-Partenkirchen, which had to beg the Bavarian government to restore law and order because of riots, lawlessness, and other crimes committed by gangs of Muslims?

    Prediction: just as it did in the decayed, dying days of the Weimar Republik, I predict that the ultra-Left will fall apart in Germany! It was amazing to see how many devoted, staunch German Communists switched over and became equally devoted, staunch members of the National Socialist Party once it became clear to everyone that Germans were sick of the far Left of their day....
     
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