Is the spirit of Hitler rising up one more time in Germany?

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Could anti-Semitism arise again in Germany?

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  2. Yes

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  3. No... we are in a whole new era and age now.

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  4. Yes... anti-Semitism is not yet gone from the earth.

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  5. I find this hard to imagine but this is a scary thought.

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  1. modernpaladin

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    I don't think it would arise as anti-semitism, but as anti-immigrant and anti-multiculture. Violent crime keeps climbing as the political establishment keeps importing from culturally incompatible 3rd world Africa and Arabia, and resentment by native Germans climbs in unison.

    Antimulticulturism, though a positive force in a society, can be unintellectually interpreted and lead to racism, a decidedly negative force, and the resentment could easily include anti-semitism even though Semites have nothing to do with the problem.

    The dishonest approach that establishment media takes to the issue of toxic multiculturim (by ignoring and/or misdirecting from it) aids in the confusion of the masses that would cause this misapplication of resentment.

    Taken as a whole, the dynamic is not dissimilar to that which led to The Crusades nearly a millenia ago: centuries of invasion by North African barbarians created the resentment among the relatively ignorant peasantry that was harnessed by the European Aristocracy and the Roman Cathoilc Church (the 'establishment' of that time) and redirected against The Levant.
     
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    The ironic thing is that I am truly unaware of anyone today on the Right in Germany expressing hatred for Israel, or anyone who is anti-Semitic, per se.

    Even the most Right-wing Germans I know freely express their disgust with the Nazi leaders for persecuting Jewish Germans in the 1930's -- because many of them were very loyal soldiers who fought and died for their Fatherland and the German Kaiser in World War ONE. And, on a more practical note, they acknowledge that if Nazis hadn't run off Jewish intellectuals and scientists, they'd very likely have had the atomic bombs, and missiles to deliver them with, by 1943 or 1944, and that would have won the war for Germany!

    Bottom line: Adolf Hitler was, at best, an erratic, but charismatic man who was able to take advantage of intense British and American fears of the Soviet Union (and Communism) in order to establish Germany as a major military power in a very short period of time.

    As the whole capitalist world plunged deeper and deeper into the Great Depression, the more "Western" countries looked to Hitler and Nazi Germany to be a strong military barrier against Stalin and Soviet Communism -- which had started to look like a more and more attractive alternative to the unemployed masses of "the West"....
     
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    Maybe I wasn’t clear, the AFD is not being observed by authorities, the left party Die Linke is being observed and has been for years. What my links refer to was the debate whether the AFD should be observed or not. At the moment, this is not the case and it looks as if it’s unlikely to happen.

    You made several claims that were not only awfully superficial but simply incorrect, all of a sudden the topic is (of course) immigrants and muslims. I live in a larger city and I see women on the streets all the time, even at night, weird. What’s that ridiculous Trump rhetoric for? I learnt long ago that ‘mericans much too often see things through their carved in stone narrative and don’t let facts get in their way, that’s just the way it is with these people. Crime rates are the lowest since the early 90s, which I’m sure you have read about since you’re so interested in German domestic policies. No, I’m not saying everything is fantastic, of course there are problems, in my book criminal asylum seekers/refugees should be deported at once, and I don’t support Merkel’s policies in any way, but your Highway to Hell narrative is simply incorrect as are your much too superficial and simplified statements on the left and other issues. Neutral facts and details wouldn’t hurt. Boris Palmer, well-known politician of the Green party, for instance has been arguing in favor of quicker deportations even to Afghanistan. However, neither Die Linke nor the Green party is part of the government and the former most certainly never will be, so what they suggest - and there are some radical left within Die Linke - is of no concern regarding Realpolitik. Looked at through 'merican glasses, pretty much every western country looks 'very left', but American catagories of left and right are not the benchmark here.
    Of course I’m fully aware of G 20. And? You don’t seem to be aware that those idiots came from all over Europe and don’t represent the political left in Germany in any way. ‘Autonome’ as they are called here have very little to do with the Green party or Die Linke; wrong context. And before you arrive at incorrect conclusions, I've never supported Die Linke.
     
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    Well, perhaps we can at least agree then that political movements like 'Die Linke' are injurious to Germany as a sovereign nation, precisely because they spread "1984-esque" doctrines of political-correctness which leverage nascent German "Nazi-guilt" to ridiculous extremes. They cloak their internationalist, Germany-destroying agenda within the seemingly innocuous, egalitarian pith of "diversity" and "inclusiveness" to gain perceptions of acceptability in "the world"...(?). "Nazism", of course, is not....

    And yet, if there is a backlash in Germany in our time, it could very well take the form of an ultra-nationalist movement, reminiscent of the way Germans rebelled against the "cuckolded" Weimar Republik, and the Communists who fought against German nationalists in order to cultivate a "soviet" throughout Europe (pan-Europa). I certainly hope not! I love Germany, and in truth, I see more potential for positive outcomes in Germany today than I do for us in the United States, as strange as that may sound.

    Thus, the thread question: "Is the spirit of Hitler rising up one more time in Germany?" Spirit of HITLER? No... at least, not yet. What I sense, though, is a strong undercurrent of discontent with the direction that the CDU has taken for the past ~5 years, and it is manifesting itself in organizations like the AfD. You and I both understand that the old GDR "East" Germans aren't buying into this "Migrants-über-Alles" nonsense as "West" Germans have been in recent years, thanks to Kanzlerin Merkel.

    I suggest that to AVOID another Hitler rising anywhere in Germany, it would be very beneficial now for Germans to elect a new Kanzler with the wisdom, intelligence, and common sense of Friedrich Merz. Unfortunately, though, it appears that "AKK" (Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer) will be your next Kanzlerin. (*Sigh!*) Germans will elect her because they don't want any controversies, they don't want anything disturbing commerce (troubled enough because you are lashed to these morons in the EU), and, they certainly don't want another "Hitler". So, it appears that you'll get a calming, soothing mouthful of mush for breakfast. Guten Appetit!
     
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    I just read an interesting article that shows that no where nearly enough is being done to stop Iranians who are know to have planned an attack on Jews in Argentina.

    https://www.thepostmillennial.com/t...als-who-target-and-murder-jews-out-of-canada/
    Trudeau should keep Iranian officials who target and murder Jews out of Canada

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    Yeah...... but at the one hour and thirty nine minute mark in this video there is a dream...... and a dream interpretation...... and it really fits with this topic:


     
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    Antifa poisoned your mind. I swear to god, those are the real thugs.
     
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    And yet you're so happy to support anti Semitism inside the Democrat party so you lack any credibility.
     
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    It is not the spirit of Hitler, it is the spirit of nationalism, Lutheranism and racial superiority, that predates Hitler by hundreds of years. It is a difference we ignore at our peril.
     
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    This has nothing to do with anti-Semitism. Nationalism is nationalism and globalization is seeking to destroy all remnants of national identity. The bottom line is that anti-globalism (in the form of nationalism) is growing. Globalism (in the form of mass immigration) is the opposition.

    Globalism has been protested long before this migrant crisis but the flood of migrants has made anti-globalism immensely intense. I (in Sweden), am fervently upset with the problem but I lay the blame squarely on my government. We are direct victims of the migrants but the migrants are not to blame as long as the government continues to shove these migrants down our throats.

    Anti-Semitism (in the OP) should not be included as a choice.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Would you say that it fits with Christians becoming terrorists and attacking a Mosque?

    What is the difference between an Islamic vs a Christian terrorist?

    Is there any difference between an Islamic vs a Christian terrorist?
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      No... .not really.... both Muslims and Christians have been set up by the Elite
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    2. Yes.... Christians are just responding to all the crime and rape in Europe.
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    3. No
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    5. Maybe the two types of acts are quite similar?????
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    New Zealand mosques: Several dead after shootings in Christchurch

    ......... for a Christian to buy into the
    extreme hatred that is taught by some Christians
    and commit a terrorist attack against Muslims is the same thing
    as when a Muslim buys into lies taught to them, (often by Marxist actors posing as
    Muslims and quoting the Koran but whose goal is often to discredit religion in all forms
    because Marxists are forced to believe in Atheism from their childhood)!


    Russia and its influence on Mideast terrorism...



    One Christian near death experiencer was shown a Muslim, who had accepted Messiah Issa - Jesus - Yeshua
    as his Saviour going to heaven at the same time that a Christian that he knew who refused to forgive......
    went off in another direction with other people who also refused to forgive!




    https://www.near-death.com/religion/christianity/emanuel-tuwagirairmana.html


     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is a difference between anti-Semitism and the terrorist attack in New Zealand
    that is for sure but I have heard a powerful case that there are one hundred off the scale
    wealthy families who manage to control the world..... by keeping the various groups divided
    through hatred of one another.

    They want to delay as long as possible the following type of shift:

    http://www.thomastwin.com/7 A Thomas samples.html

    To a degree it seems like the Elite are cooperating with a goal began in Russia in 1972.
    http://www.tldm.org/News9/RussianInfluenceOnMideast.htm
    Basically..... the Elite seem to want to set up a series of wars and other events that will lead to depopulation.
     
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    Yep, it looks that way to me too.
    I don't know if it's depopulation or what it is they want but it ain't good, that's for sure.
     
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    Some of them seem to want a ninety percent depopulation and it looks to me like pressuring the poorer of us toward choosing abortions is one of their strategies.


    Can we learn about the Washington Swamp from the Ottawa Swamp?


    Here are the statistics for deaths among African Americans since 1973:
    Abortion............15.5 million
    Heart disease.....2,715, 416
    Cancer ...............2,568,040
    Accidents ..............447,803
    Violent crimes .......354,392
    AIDS .....................245,322

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    Does the Ottawa Swamp and the Washington Swamp have the common denominator of ELITISM?

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    3. I am not sure but this is an intriguing theory that I may research further?????
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    some in Antifa are racists too.. do not disagree.. I was stating a fact, no one poisoned my mind, I can see the evil in many groups, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, left, right..... ect.....
     
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    oh I see, your attacking me for what you are? ... cause I obviously do not support anti-Semitism....so you must?

    does the right think people chanting "blood and soil, Jews will not replace us" are "fine people"?
     
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    I see it as well. I would not say though that in order to do evil, one seeks a Christian church to train them to do evil. Normally it would apply to the Muslims yet in their directions contained in their holy book, violence is called for. I mean current violence rather than say the violence of the old testament. Then the law was concerned with the Jews and of course was not designed to rule countries around the world. Muslims took it to that step. I believe Buddhists are very peaceful.

    I harp a lot on the American left .... specifically the Democrats. Why them? They have since 1933 commanded most of our laws into being. Those who can make law actually have the power. Some think presidents have the power. But not the power to craft up new laws. He can approve, but he is not the body of law creating law.

    The body making law can be the most dangerous to freedom. Witness the Jim Crow laws and other restrictive laws. Ask who created those laws and almost every one of them is a Democratic party law.

    What prevented women from voting in the past? It was law. What kept blacks slaves? It was law. What did Abraham Lincoln do in invading states? Broke law.

    I will say this though to those assuming the SCOTUS has the most power, when it opened schools up to all citizens over just black or white, who had the army and used it to enforce the ruling? It was not the SCOTUS

    We have seen the SCOTUS invent new law. I submit Roe v Wade as a good example. There was no designated authority for SCOTUS to craft that new law. The court assigned to itself the authority to rule but it had no teeth. Who enforces Roe v wade in your community? Your local cops do.
     
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    I am fine with chants. It is what we call free speech. I am not fine with Antifa coming to confront them with clubs in their hands. They are brawlers. That crosses the line.
     
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    at the chants a women was killed when one of the crazies drove down a group of people, did you forget about that... bet if this was Antifa you would not of
     
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    First i am able to separate issues. Try it once or twice.

    Antifa did not show up with clubs to protest the pedestrian killed by the speeding car.

    And I do not connect the criminal killer to the protesters over trying to save a statue.

    While they chanted, it seems as if they chanted anti Jew things mostly. I do not believe for a moment Antifa supports Jews. At least they to date have no known protests to help out Jews of record. Show them to me if you have any.

    Chants were happening the previous evening. The car killing was in daylight. He is charged as all killers of pedestrians are charged. I do not believe the group who saved the statue came to his aid and wanted to post bail or pay for his defense. Can you link the group trying to save the statue to defense funds for the killer?
    I would be interested to know if they defended the killer driving his car.
     
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    Antifa killed no one that night, white nationalists did...

    not defending Antifa, just seeing things as they are

    and what the white nationalist did that night was disgusting..... even the makers of Tiki touches denounced them

    "I do not believe the group who saved the statue came to his aid and wanted to post bail or pay for his defense."

    I have never seen any group pay the legal fees for one of their own killers
     
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