Is there a reason to suspect massive election fraud?

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  1. XploreR

    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    The last I heard, 65% of registered voters actually voted in the 2020 election nationwide--lots more than normal. So how do you conclude there are millions more votes than registered voters? I suggest you take a close look at your sources of information. It sounds like they're lying to you.
     
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    FIXED! The Republican Party is a rainbow of varied views & perspectives, from far right thru moderate conservative. It's majority lies slightly right of center, but close enough to center to make most moderate liberals feel comfortable. The far right in the Republican Party is a rather small minority.

    Because, this is true as well.
     
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    You want the evidence and you want it now!!!! I get that. We're about halfway there to the time George Bush waited for Al Gore to challenge. I may be wrong, but I don't recall that Bush pranced around with the Media declaring himself President Elect during that time. You just be patient and allow them to present evidence in a Court where it matters. We know what the current media does regularly with the truth.
     
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    And that doesn't have to be and many is not a massive difference.

    In 2016 which party would control the Virginia statehouse could have been determined by ONE, just ONE, fraudulent vote.
    In 2000 just 538 fraudulent votes in all of Florida could have changed who would be President of the United States
    Norm Coleman v Al Franken was won by Franken after the recount changed the results to give him a margin of just 225 votes
    Go back to Bob Dornan in California
    Then the local city council member in a close election, the state legislator, the local sheriff and on and on even referendums can be very close.

    It's not just about the President and Vice-President

    The contest here are not about tabulation errors which is what recounts can show. This is about legal and illegal ballots which a recount shows you nothing.

    The problem is how do you prove it once the ballots are separated from their envelopes when it comes to mail in that doesn't even require a signature match. It will take a long time to study and try to determine how upon to illegal ballots were all these state mail in efforts and I am reading some polling places have already discarded the envelopes so how do you determine. The voting roles and check ins aren't available yet that comes after all the certifications and they become public records. Hopefully we will have an investigation to determine how accurate those are as best we can. I don't think the government can call people up and demand to know who they voted for. Let's hope they do a thorough study on how many dead voters can be determined.

    The goal being let's don't have this fiasco again. How about we adopt the recommendations of the only federal commission on the matter the Carter/Baker Commission on Federal Election Reform of 2005?
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Will you consider this? https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-releases/new-jw-study-voter-registration/
     
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    If depends what is the difference between the winner and the loser. If the difference is in tens of thousands votes, the voter fraud must be massive - tens of thousands of votes.
     
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    In 2016 which party would control the Virginia statehouse could have been determined by ONE, just ONE, fraudulent vote.
    In 2000 just 538 fraudulent votes in all of Florida could have changed who would be President of the United States
    Norm Coleman v Al Franken was won by Franken after the recount changed the results to give him a margin of just 225 votes
    Go back to Bob Dornan in California
    Then the local city council member in a close election, the state legislator, the local sheriff and on and on even referendums can be very close.
     
  8. Kode

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    That's bunk. Wanting to fix healthcare for all Americans isn't far left. Advocating advancement of alternate energy sources isn't far left. Advocacy of aggressive action against COVID isn't far left. Election reform to take power out of the hands of the rich isn't far left. What's really far left is a fringe of crazies who want a communist revolution! So it appears that you're just parroting propaganda of hate and bullshit.
     
  9. Kode

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    David Corn writes:
    "I’ve heard from Eric Trump, Donald Trump Jr., and Lara Trump. I’ve heard from Rudy Giuliani, Ronna McDaniel, and Newt Gingrich. And I’ve heard from Donald Trump. Over and over again. The 2020 election was stolen from Trump. The left-wing mob, the Democrats, the fake news media—they successfully plotted together to pull off the greatest political heist of all time. Trump really won. But fake ballots were counted. Real ballots were trashed. American democracy was undone. The people have been robbed of their rightful president."

    THIS is "far right". It's unfounded, DANGEROUS insanity. The proof showing it is exactly that is ubiquitous! There is no logical nor sane reason to believe this tripe.
     
  10. balancing act

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    From examining his speech, thoughts and other aspects of Trump, I doubt he has an IQ much above average.
    I have never seen anything that would indicate higher levels of thought. He's not dumb, but you would have to show me evidence to get me to believe he has an extremely high IQ, or anything that resembles higher intelligence.
     
  11. Kode

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    I have had ample experience with people who have deep emotional dysfunction to know that because of their emotional entanglement they tend to make judgements and make decisions that appear to us as "stupid" and reflective of a low IQ, when it's really an issue of twisted emotions guiding them.

    I see this clearly in Trump. I don't believe he is really as stupid as he appears.
     
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  12. Kode

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    Can you list any of the "far left" demands of the "far left" section of the Democratic Party?
     
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    Aren't predictions great? ANYTHING can be "predicted" as factual when it's anything but fact.
     
  14. balancing act

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    I concur, I don't think he is as stupid as he may appear. At the same time, I don't see anything that would indicate a genius level, or anything close.
    His speech patterns and behaviors, the only things I have to go on, indicate to me a slightly above average intelligence. I'm not a psychiatrist, but I've had the good fortune to be around a lot of very intelligent people. They do vary in many aspects, and some could be considered losers because of they're inability to deal with the realities of life. But usually, even though they may have debilitating aspects of their persona, you can sense the intelligence in them.
    His mental state is severe enough to control his thought patterns, as he does allow emotion and overall feelings of narcissism to control his decision making.
    Not a good thing, imo, for a president of the United States.
     
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    How, or more precisely "where", can we meet in the middle on climate change vs. "more oil"? Or on national healthcare for all vs. private healthcare with coverage denied for millions? Or public funding of political campaigns vs. private funding with allowance for huge corporate donations and influence? Or on "open carry" vs. "no open carry"?
     
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    Unfortunately, that study is flawed methodology wise. For one thing, it uses 5-year averages of voting age populations, from 2014 to 2018, then compares these to 2020 voter registration data - so, two different time periods. The voting age populations are estimates, based on samples, not actual counts like the Census, and consequently limited in terms of accuracy. Deviations from actual populations are even more likely when looking at county-level estimates, because county populations are more prone to change than a state as a whole, in absolute numbers and characteristics. And the more so over a five-year period - what they were in 2014 might be drastically different from 2018. Voting wise, some might have much younger populations, so a big influx of new voter registrations each year which isn't picked up by the outdated 5 year averages. Mathematically, the percentage denominator includes inactive voters, while many active voters may for all intents and purposes be inactive, but not yet denoted as such due to local policy. Etc.
     
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    Pre Trump, I'd agree. Trump changed all that. The question becomes whether real Republicans return the party to respectability
     
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    I'll wait.
     
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    Meanwhile, please reply to post 68. Thanks.
     
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    Here is an excerpt from the thread I posted and if you don't see the scam in this....I can't help you.
    Watch sued Pennsylvaniaand North Carolina for failing to make reasonable efforts to remove ineligible voters from their rolls as required by federal law. The lawsuits allege that the two states have nearly 2 million inactive names on their voter registration rolls. Judicial Watch also sued Illinois for refusing to disclose voter roll data in violation of Federal law.
     
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    What's the scam? Where's the voter fraud? Did your family conscientiously notify the Election Commission in your state of every death in the family and ask them to remove the person from voter roles? You would probably have needed to send them a death certificate to prove it to be a valid request.

    No, you didn't and neither did anyone in your family. So YOU are equally guilty of the same scam you and JW accusing others of. And BTW, Judicial Watch is an extreme right wing bullshit think tank and harassment org.
     
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    lol it's funny to read this post and then go back to the 2016 threads and read all the alt left election rigging threads. this is priceless
     
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    And you seem to subscribe to the left wing bullshit attempted coup and election fraud.
     
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    And you prefer to accuse with vague accusations when you have no good response to having been caught spewing bullshit.
     

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