Is there anyone who still believes Trump? Why?

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    “You can’t fondle the truth!”

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    I'm hoping that diehard Trumpers can honestly confront the question rather than desperately contrive diversions from it, irrationally lashing out at all those demonic forces they see everywhere. If they are true believers, let's accept the sniveling as a given, and cordially enjoin the devotees to explain their unshakable faith.​

    Consider the irrefutable record,

    In 2016, Trump lost the popular vote by nearly 2.9 million, and claimed with no evidence that 3-5 million illegal votes were mysteriously all cast against him. He won the electoral college with 306 votes and call it a “Landslide!”


    When asked for evidence for his fake claim concerning the millions of clandestine bad people, he brayed that there would be “major investigation!”:

    Trump repeated his lie during his first week in office, telling Congressional leaders in a 23 January meeting that “millions of unauthorized immigrants had robbed him of a popular vote majority!”

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    I will be asking for a major investigation into
    VOTER FRAUD

    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 25, 2017
    Of course, there wasn’t any. Facts wreak havoc with the best of lies.

    (File under Trump’s investigators looking into President Obama’s birth certificate in Hawaii.)


    In 2020, Trump lost the popular vote by over 7 million votes, and claimed that he won in a “Landslide!” (See Trump’s previous reference to “Landslide!” - 306 electoral votes, such as President Biden received in 2020.)

    In 2020, rather than pretending that 3-5 nefarious balloters had all been very, very mean to him, the Loser's paranoidal approach to democracy implicates Republican governors, Republican attorneys general, Republican secretaries of state, Republican auditors, and Republican judges who all dismissed frivolous challenges across America.

    In the vast, pervasive caper, not a single suspect has yet been identified. (Those Hawaiian investigators may have to be redeployed.)

    Rather than wee-wee up his goons…
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    … why not find the testicular fortitude to accept reality, democracy, and the obvious?

    McConnell's final remark to Trump was
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    "You lost the election!”

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  2. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'm betting members of The Following saw the thread title and went no further before reflexively reacting with one thought in mind. TDS. It's employed when there is neither a defense for Don's reprehensible, anti-democratic behavior or their own.

    Essentially, for them, the truth is immaterial to their beliefs.
     
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  3. Darthcervantes

    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    @Natty Bumpo That's a pretty big post. You know what word doesn't show up in it at all? "MAIL". When you guys rip on people for believing in election fraud, by some convenient miracle you people ALWAYS leave out the part about mail in ballots.
     
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    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Mail in ballots have not been proven to be used in any kind of election fraud. Just an excuse from a crybaby loser.
     
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    5 out of 6 fraud incidents that were found in 2020 election were mail in ballot based. Please do your research before you start running your mouth about stuff you obviously don't know about
    Thank yuou
     
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    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How many cases of fraud were prosecuted? I did hear about a Nevada GOP official being jailed for voting for his dead wife.
     
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    And for obviously convenient reasons, you guys always leave out that what few cases of voter (mail) fraud that have been found have all been by Republicans.

    Another voter fraud accusation blows up in Republicans' faces
     
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    Orange Jesus is a scam artist. He doesn't care about "election integrity" unless it sways in his favor. He didn't do anything about between 2016 and 2020 and NOW it's the basis for his temper tantrums in every direction.

    And, it's irrelevant that he is trying to break the law and Constitution. His cultists want him reinstated irrespective of all that. They are traitors just like him.
     
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    Please list all indictments (that require actual, credible evidence) concerning voter fraud in the 2020 presidential election - whether mail-in ballot such as Trump submitted or otherwise.

    No suspect has been named regarding a stolen Landslide that would have required a conspiracy of thousands, Republicans as well as Democrats.. Why would you fantasize that does not encompass the mail-in ballot fairy tale?
     
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    Rather than anguish in futility, diehard Trumpers may want to just proclaim that they enthusiastically embrace their Loser's copious lies.
     
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    How do you prosecute a dead or non-existent person?



    But, of course!

    Voting is like court proceedings. The mere appearance of impropriety is sufficient to cast aspersions.

    Liberals rely heavily on fanciful myths.

    90% of the people aren't educated, trained or experienced in the investigation of frauds.

    Frauds -- by their very nature -- are incredibly difficult to uncover and sometimes even harder to prove.

    I watched an army of forensic accountants pour over literally 10s of 1,000s of financial transactions for nearly 4 years before they finally figured out how the fraud was perpetrated.

    Contrary to another Liberal myth, that particular fraud was concocted by one man, and he enlisted the aid of another who had knowledge of the fraud to perpetrate the fraud, and they both enlisted the help of a third person who had no knowledge of the fraud and unwittingly carried it out.

    That is to say it does not require large numbers of people to execute frauds.

    State and federal laws require that certain records be maintained for definite periods of time, usually 7-10 years, and sometimes longer for other types of records.

    But, for voting, those records are destroyed shortly after the election.

    The point being, if you wanted to investigate any facet of the 2016 Election, whether at local, county, State or federal level, you couldn't do it because there are no records.

    Now, in Ohio, the State does maintain the fact of voting, meaning that the State knows the election years in which I voted, but no record of where I voted or the method I used to vote.

    So, I get a postcard telling me I voted in these election years, but the State doesn't know if I voted by absentee ballot, or at my precinct, or at another precinct (which you can do in Ohio with a provisional ballot) or at the county board of elections.

    People need to understand that is the ballot that is secret and not the identity of the person casting the ballot.

    We already know from any number of news stories that States do not properly maintain their election rolls.

    Ohio is one. Ohio has no idea whether a registered voter still lives in Ohio or is dead or the ghost of Christmas past or time traveling.

    When Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell -- who happens to be both a Black man and a Republican -- tried to rectify that by sending letters registered mail return receipt request to verify that a voter still lives at the address on their voter registration, Democrats put images of Ken Blackwell in whiteface on the internet and filed a lawsuit to successfully shut it down.

    That, is the appearance of impropriety. When you don't even know whether a voter is alive or dead or still living in your State, that is proof of a lack of integrity in elections.
     
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    Well, all the way up to 2018 democrats were complaining it was the least secure way of voting.
     
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    When you have the opportunity, you might want to read the Constitution for the first time in your life, or if you have read it, have an adult explain it to you.

    Elections are not within the purview of the federal government.

    If you still don't understand, only States have the authority to run elections, not the federal government.

    Getting mad at Trump for not doing something he is constitutionally barred from doing is way beyond differently twisted.
     
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    Right! Very easy to do with mail in ballots. Thanks for proving my point.
     
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    Three words or just one!

    Cult of Personality or Cult!

    Exactly!!

    Projection is the far right super power.

    You prosecute the person behind the fraud if it indeed exists. See post#6 for a specific example.
     
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    Lol, dude, I was the one who actually went through the "research" you posted in order to get that 5/6 number. You never researched it yourself. You are just going based on what I told you after I did the research that you refused to.

    What Darth won't tell you guys is that the sample size IS 6. 6 total. He also will hide the fact that at least half of those were Trump supporters -- none were positively identified as Biden voters. Don't buy this bull ****.
     
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    Well, so far it's been 6, so I don't know how that's termed easy.
     
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    I've encouraged him to look into the concept of sample sizes. I think he blocked me for it.
     
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    it was 1000s with the percentage of 5 out of 6 related to mail in ballots
    Enjoy the stolen win. I see you pointed out Trump supporters cheated. I thought Trump supporters were supposed to be stupid. Cheating is so easy with mail in ballots that even us dumb trumpets can do it?
    Thanks for double proving my point regarding how easy it is to fraud with an ancient paper mail in system
    Why do you think voter machines were invented?
    This is too easy, lol
     
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    No, it wasn't. Please, please actually review your own links. You are embarrassing yourself. The original number you gave was ~1,200 (psst, that's not "thousands"), but you didn't actually look at the database, so you didn't know that those are TOTAL numbers from EVERY election in the country (not just Presidential) going back to the 70s. Since you refused to look at your own data, which no, doesn't not say that 5 out of 6 instances of voter fraud are mail-in related, I looked into it for you. Only 6 of those instances involved the 2020 general/Presidential election. 6. Total. Not "thousands."

    Of those, half of them were Trump supporters.

    I've never called all Trump supporters stupid. I defended people for voting for Trump. Now, the ones who committed voter fraud? Yeah, those were idiots. And they were easily caught.

    6 instances =/= easy. Even 1,200 instances over the course of hundreds of elections, spanning decades, is not proof that it is easy. Please try thinking about this.

    Every time you've provided "evidence," you've shown you haven't reviewed your own links.

    Typing without thinking often is.
     
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    you can twist and spin however you like but the damage is done when you already admitted 5 out of 6 incidents were mail in related.
    That’s 83% and is kind of a big deal.
    Like I said. Enjoy the stolen win.
     
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    He is in jail proving there is not proof of any widespread fraud and that attempts are easily detected. He and other GOP officials tried to use his fraud as an advertisement for their bullshit “stop the steal” campaign. Total failure and proof positive that GOP has been using this tactic to steal elections for decades.
     
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    5 out of 6 out of how many total fraudulent votes detected? How many of those were GOP officials cheating as usual?
     
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    I don’t care what their affiliation is. Ancient mail in paper ballot system is easy to cheat.
    I never said “only democrats can cheat”
    Take off the partisan blinders. This is black and white/cut and dry
     
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