Is there anyone who still believes Trump? Why?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Natty Bumpo, Nov 21, 2021.

  1. Injeun

    Injeun Well-Known Member

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    The Trump administration was remarkably successful for our country and the world. And had he run against Biden on his successes, he would have won and our nation would be far better off than now. But he ran against Biden on his vanity, and lost handily. I voted for Trump in both elections. But I won't vote for him again because his scorched earth mentality has driven me away. I pay no attention to anything he or his coalition says. I did not find the Capitol riot and his calling Pence a "coward and traitor" to be a gloriously dashing event. It was despicable and a ruination of the entire matter. I'll take a "little Marco, tired Jeb, or loser Romney" any day. And revel in the peace and sobriety therefrom.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They don't actually call themselves Gestapo silly .. they just act like it. Trump challenging the election results- good, bad, otherwise - does not even come close to the authoritarianism of Biden .. who .. like the Nazi's .. has targeted a certain group - and demonized that group on the basis of lies and propaganda - taking away their livelihood .. like the Gestapo did to the groups that they were going after .. on the basis of propaganda and lies.

    To be fair - we could say that Trump did something similar to Biden --- targeting groups like illegal immigrants - also pregnant women. This was Trump Authoritarianism on display .. not "Challenging the Election" -- thats just nonsense by comparison = "get a valid argument" - as you seem to have little idea what authoritarianism looks like.
     
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  3. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Democratic self-governance is just that, whether one expresses contempt for it.
     
  4. yardmeat

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    Which can only be said be someone completely ignorant of the reality of the Gestapo.

    Trump tried to throw out millions of votes and install himself as an unelected leader. Yes, that's authoritarian, far more so than anything Biden has ever done.

    Trump has demonized plenty of people based on lies and propaganda. No, that doesn't make him Gestapo any more than it makes Biden Gestapo. Please join those of us who treat history seriously instead of mischaracterizing history in order to take cheap, fake shots at your political rivals.

    So when Trump does it, it is mild authoritarianism, but when Biden does the exact same thing he's a Nazi? Where can I find you calling Trump a Nazi for this ****?

    He didn't just "challenge" an election. He tried to overthrow the results and install himself as leader despite losing. Yes, that's authoritarian . . . far more so than just saying meanie head things about people you don't like, which you've admitted that both of them are equally guilty of. As far as knowing what authoritarianism is, seeing as I'm willing to discuss facts and got a pretty good idea of what it looks like by talking to my grandfather about the horrors he suffered under the Nazi regime you are trying to coopt for your intellectually dishonest political purposes, while your antics are cute, they are wrong.
     
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  5. perotista

    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't believe or trust any politician. It's like the old joke, When can you tell a politician is lying, his lips are moving. Some lie more and some lie better, but they all lie. Most politicians can get away with lying because that is what their supporters want to hear.
     
  6. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    According to the highest law enforcement officer in the nation, the the Trump Regime's own Attorney General, William Barr, in regard to the 2020 presidential election,


    That is entirely consistent with there being not a single legal challenge, nor legislative motion, in any state to nullify the certified results anywhere, merely hyper-partisans blowing gas with nothing of substance to offer.

    That is also why not a single suspect has been named, nor a tentative explanation of how the vast caper was contrived, in the fake nonsense that has been spewed about a fraudulent election.



    Might there be votes somewhere that were illegally cast for Trump or Biden? Of course. With over 155 million votes cast, there are inevitably a few.
     
  7. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Politicians lying and a national election being stolen are disparate issues.

    As a nation of laws and not of lying politicians, credible, documented evidence that withstands dispassionate scrutiny is required.

    Not even the most virulent, hyper-partisan despondents have contrived a challenge to the 2020 presidential election that is pending in any court in the land.
     
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  8. dharbert

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    While I don't really buy into the whole "election was stolen thing", you're going to tell me the same guy that supposedly got the most votes in history is the same one that now 10 months later has one of the lowest approval ratings of any president in modern history? And a vice president that has probably the absolute lowest approval rating of any vice president in modern history...
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I believe that people are still working for him free of charge. He thanks you bigly for working to keep his name relevant. This is yuge!
     
  10. MJ Davies

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    Yard, that is just adorable. We're supposed to have selective amnesia and totally forget that Orange Jesus claimed election fraud in 2016 but didn't pursue anything in court because it was in his favor.

    Now, the sun needs to stop rising and babies can't be born and unicorns can't fly because Dear Leader got fired...(legal term) "for cause". The US is an "at will" employer in most places. One can quit their job and one can be fired from their job without legal remedy, if justified. He was justifiably fired and his poor little soul can't handle that more of us kicked him the hell out than wanted him to stay implanted until his Earthly breaths are complete thereby overturning the Dynasty over to his equally criminal and useless offspring.

    Glad I could help. ;-)
     
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    Same joke of a response as last time .. as if "Gestopo tactics" are not "Gestapo tactics" if it doesn't involve gas chambers .

    Who can reason with such absurd nonsense - followed by you claiming the others are intellectually dishonest - projecting your failure onto others.

    Targeting specific groups is exactly what the Nazi's did .. followed by demonization of those groups with propaganda and lies .. Just like Heir Biden is doing - branding them with a yellow star known as a Vax Passport - taking away their livilihood .. forced medical treatment for the "Unclean"

    What .. Grand Pappy didn't tell you about that .. or did you develop selective memory ?
     
  12. jcarlilesiu

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    So you DO admit there was fraud.

    So, why oppose mechanisms and procedures put in place to both minimize and catch the fraud?
     
  13. yardmeat

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    Same joke of a response as last time . . . saying anything meanie head is "Gestapo tactics." Pathetic.

    You've presented no reasoning at all.

    Yeah, the worst thing that happened to my grandfather under the Nazis was that he got vaccinated. For sure. Where do you get this bull ****?

    No, unlike you he just took it seriously and was able to be honest about it instead of looking at a few million bodies and saying, "Hm, how do I misrepresent what happened here to say fake **** about people who like public health measures?"
     
  14. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Of course. As long as the Cry Baby Loser persists in lying about the election, a lie that provoked his goons to end America's proud tradition of peaceful transfers of power, his attacks on our democratic system is relevant.

    His sniveling fails the test of contriving actual evidence acceptable in a court of law, however, although it clearly works with some as propaganda.
     
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    I would never hear his cries if it weren't for those working hard to spread his messages. This kind of exposure is usually expensive, but he has people working free of charge. These are his real "goons".
     
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    Wrong. In each case (Ohio, Pennsylvania, Colorado, Nevada) the perp was caught, plead and/or convicted.

    Voting fraud isn’t easy just ask these fools or the other two Colorado election officials—Trump stooges that fueled Lindell’s fantasies—that were banned from participating in elections for their shenanigans.
     
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    This has been going on literally for decades. Anyone who honestly thinks people in the People's Republuc of California, actually vote in favor of streets covered in fecal matter, their children being harassed by drug addicts on the way to school and for playgrounds covered in used syringes, is nuts. Everyone with the where-withal to do so is fleeing CA because the vote doesn't matter there and the loons are running the asylum into the ground
     
  18. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    It's amusing to see the Loser's worshippers parrot his lie that his "Landslide!" was stolen, yet no one anywhere, apparently, has any evidence that could stand up under judicial scrutiny.
     
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    trump did mail in voting a few times.
    There's nothing fraudulent about it.
     
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    Did a google search on your claim.
    Nothing showed up.
    Perhaps you have a link proving your claim?
     
  21. dairyair

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    I think his reputation precedes him. I noticed there was no link to prove the claim.
     
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    I provided it in another thread and I’m not gonna look for it as I don’t care enough. I’m no longer worried about theft that is two years old.
     
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    No worries. Others have shown that statement to be very misleading.
    And I'm sure there isn't a link to actually show what you stated anyway.

    Unless all there were are 6 total cases of fraud. Which I doubt out of 155M votes.
     
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  24. MJ Davies

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    At this point, I honestly can't see how anybody can still think this is true. Powell admitted to a judge that she lied and "no reasonable person would believe those lies". She's not a never-Trumper. She will most likely be disbarred for what she's done. Giuliani will be next. Lindell is going back to the crack pipe when his obtuseness and undeserved fidelity to Orange Jesus blows up.

    However, NONE of that matters. What these people are telling us is they don't care if he lied. They don't care that Capitol police officers died and hundreds were injured. They don't care the Pences have been living in hotels and on family members' couches because of death threats. They don't care that his equally despicable daughter lied under oath about the disbursement of inaugural funds. They don't care about the election process, the law, policy and procedures, the Constitution or anything else that stands in the way of him reclaiming the Oval Office by any means necessary.

    He is raking in millions a month with his fake pity party. Why would he stop lying with that kind of payday? He's a con artist. This is what they do. I'm more shocked that seemingly intelligent people are falling over themselves to defend him and send him their hard earned dollars. That's scarier than the Dynasty-wanna-be-unstable-not-a-genius-racist-sexist-homophobic-pathological liar we just fired. The whole thing is just toxic.

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  25. Natty Bumpo

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    Yet, there are fanatics irrationally in thrall to Trumpery who don't allow reason to interfere with their inexplicable emotional dependence upon the Cry Baby Loser.

    Calmly note the absurdity of a stolen "Landslide!" with the reality of no investigations, no indictments, no suspects in a fantastical caper so widespread that it would have required thousands of dedicated coordinated conspirators, of both political parties, in high and low places, in at least several states, not one of whom has hinted at his complicity in such an enormous and consequential mugging of democracy.

    Will Trump worshippers engage dispassionately in recognizing the absurdity?

    It is far more likely that they will lash out viciously at the unspeakable sacrilege of desecrating their article of blind faith with profane logic.

    The fact of the Loser losing is simply heresy for them.

    And so, jihad ensures.

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