Islam and Islamophobia

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  1. stan1990

    stan1990 Newly Registered

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    The Danish government since 2014 has launched an annual campaign to encourage Danes to father more children. Denmark, especially in the Copenhagen metropolitan area, suffers from low birth rates. The Italian government announced awards, plots of land, for each family with a third child during the period 2019-2022. The Spanish government appointed a Demographic Expert named Idelima Parreira to examine the reasons stand behind the reluctance of its citizens to experience parenthood and to provide solutions to address the catastrophic decline in Spain birth rate. The world is taken by surprise with the election of populist governments inspired by Donald Trump's victory in the US presidential election. The politics of these recently elected governments are anti-immigration, blaming Arabs and Muslims immigrants for their failures handling complicated files such as the rise in the unemployment rates and taxes.

    First, population census in Europe isn't being conducted according to the ethnic, sectarian or religious identity. Moreover, it is prohibited to mention religion in ID cards and passports. Therefore, it's impossible to collect accurate statistics related to the birth rate in European countries. The Islamophobia and xenophobia are concepts abused for political purposes. Then, people like Brigitte Gabriel or Mark Steyn following Machiavellian principles in dealing with issues like Islamic immigration or the demographic problem, they feel no sin being hypocritical when presenting their argument for their audience. Brigitte Gabriel opinion about the Lebanese civil war is an example of distortion and lying. Briggate knowledge about her country history isn't very sophisticated. Jihadist didn't exist during the Lebanese civil war. The struggle was between secular fractions and militia but never Islamic.

    However, people like Brigitte Gabriel or Mark Steyn aren't the only patrons of the hate industry. Robert Spencer is another example of biased views on subjects like Islam. The sword verse (9:5) in the Koran is one favourite subject for Robert Spencer and other critics of Islam. It is absurd that Robert Spencer, religious study graduate from University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, ignore the bloody history of Christianity while accusing Islam of violence and spreading out by the sword. Jesus in Math(10:34) didn't promise to bring peace to the earth but sword. In Luke(22:36), he orders his followers to sell their cloaks and buy swords. In fact, Simon Peter, one of Jesus disciples drew his sword and struck the high priest servant, John(18:10). God orders the mass murder of Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites in Det 20: 16_18. The old testament contains many verses of God order mass killing because of worship the idols.

    In conclusion, the history of Christianity in the past and present illustrates various accounts of violence and brutality. The (1562 1629) war between the Catholic and Protestant contradict with the concept of peace; Europe lost 40% of its population in that war. The colonization movement introduced Christianity to the new world: 150 million natives killed in America, Central America and Australia. The advocates for slavery could recite bible verses to justify kidnapping, torture and slaughtering millions of Africans. Inquisition courts were working with zeal in order to restore Catholicism to Spain. Their victims are Muslims, Jews and anybody who disagree with the Catholic church theology. In our modern times, not the Middle Ages, George.W.Bush declares crusader war and numbers indicate Bible verses were printed on weapons provided for American soldier serving in Iraq.

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  2. Matt22yuc

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    You got a point?
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Um... In no way were Muslims victims of Christianity, quite the contrary. There were 14 Christan led crusades, there were 597 Muslim led crusades spanning from Africa to Spain and as far east as China. In fact the crusades were a reaction to the islamic violence. Slavery in the Western culture lasted at most 5 centuries, within Islam it has lasted 14 centuries and is still practiced in many places. African tribes were not originally Islamic, they were conquered and colonized by the Islamic empire.
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Western culture is bad because if Christianity essentially.
     
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    Islamophobia is used as a political chip, that was one of my points. The other one is that people like Robert Spencer or Anjem Choudary must condiment by both, Christians and Muslims. They don't care about ordinary people and considered them just numbers in their manipulative game.
    I will try to be more precise in my next thread.
     
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    This wasn't my point. Western culture hold on many positive trends and characters. My point was that Islamophobia is used as a political chip. and that people like Robert Spencer or Anjem Choudary are manipulative and deceptive for both Christians and Muslims.
     
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    Hi
    Learning is a continuous process. and always I learn new things exchanging opinions with people like you. But since i am talking history, I have a few hints for you. First, Coptic Christians in Egypt were victims of their Catholic brothers. The Roman armies force their version of Christianity down the throats of the Egyptians by the edge of the sword. The head of the Coptic church was in hiding for around 7 years until restored to his seat by Muslims. Second, talking about crusades, Muslims are not the first to lead crusaders against other rotten neighbouring empires and nations. In fact, Romans, Persians, Greeks, Spartans led crusaders against each other. Finally, Slavery is a savage practice, and it lasted among Muslims longer than usual. I know it is still practiced in countries like Mauritania. But again, Muslims were not the first to exercise slavery. actually, they were more merciful with their slaves than the Romans and Persians: they are forced to join the army, Muslims encourage to free their slaves and slave owners are forbidden to over-working them.
     
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    No. The past history of violence of christianity doesn't excuse or lower the violence of Islam which aren umerous all the arabic conquests which by the way weren't without death, even if we didn't have any precise numbers, or the Timur war which was among the most bloodiest of war, or the islamic conquest of India, which maybe caused 80 million death (there is no precise count). Islamic slavery caused 18 milions victims, ottoman empire conquest.

    Today muslim countries are the only countries which punish by death blasphemy or punish by death apostasy.

    For the spanish inquisition, it's black legend, only 800 people were executed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition#Death_tolls_and_sentenced

    Bush for me is a criminal. I don't deny that. How it excuse islamic violence, I don't see.

    Basically, that's the argument of "Ok, maybe I stole a 10 000 $ car, but my neighbour stole a 20 000 $ car, how dare you accuse me of being a thief ?".
     
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    Religion in general promotes hatred and violence inherently by telling everyone else they are wrong in their own deeply held beliefs. Islam is simply the MOST violent right now and recently become the rabid dog that needs to be put down. The OP is just an example of how religion poisons the human mind.
     
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    That actually depends on the religion.
    It was in its from it's Inception.
    Well it's more about how pigheadedness poisons minds. Some people become that way due to religion but others do it based on secular beliefs.
     
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    You’re right that’s it’s used as a political chip and is used as a kind of “red scare” to incite fear of others which narrow minded individuals will just eat up. But that doesn’t mean there isn’t any merit to the idea that Islam in its most crude form and in practice among many Islamist countries isn’t a threat to the progression of a civilized society.

    While Christians and Muslims beliefs are both equally irrational, many Muslims still hold beliefs that will lead to anti social and dangerous behavior which cannot be ignored.
     
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    Islamophobia is a word with no meaning, pushing a phony one.

    Islam--- A religion, and political ideology.

    pho·bi·a
    [ˈfōbēə]
    NOUN
    1. an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something.
    Islam has written orders from God to convert, subjugate/enslave, or kill,
    all of us.

    That is not an irrational fear at all.


    I get a kick out of people who haven't the slightest idea what the religion is about,
    Trying to put a play on words to the unknowing.

    I don't think anyone should discuss/argue, etc, without a basic knowledge of the religion.
     
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    Christianity has written orders from God to convert, subjugate/enslave, or kill, all of us.
    all of us.
     
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    BTW, Robert spencer is one of the best Islamic scholars the west has to offer.
    He reads and writes the language, and has spent time there.
    I am going to let you prove your own bullsh-t.

    Spencer cannot afford to make mistakes, all eyes are on him.
    He has a reputation to keep up

    You just made a derogatory comment about him.
    Tell me something he said about Islam, that is wrong.
     
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    Islam is all about hate, you would know that if you read the Qur'an and Sunnah.

    when a person exposes the hate, it does not make them the hater.
     
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    Christianity is all about hate, you would know that if you read the Bible.

    when a person exposes the hate, it does not make them the hater.
     
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    Actually it is not, there is some, and I am sure you are thinking of Judism anyways, but you cannot compare it to Islam.
    and yes, I have read the bible, and I have read the Qur'an and sunnah.

    and BTW, when I made a list of excuses muslims use,
    Number 3 was change the subject, blame another religion.
     
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    Here is just a taste from the christian bible.....it gets worse


    1. Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the [holy man] who represents God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged.

    2. I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those, who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes.

    3. I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am God.
     
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    lolol

    I don't even use the Qur'an when I compare notes.
    As I said, If you don't know anything about the religion, why are you even arguing it.

    read Muhammeds biography, open to any page, in 80% of the writings he is robbing, raping, or killing someone.

    He is documented in 78 raids on unarmed or lightly armed caravans and settlements.
    He beheaded 600 to 900 at one time.
    He would raid the settlements, and behead the males over puberty, and keep the females.
    He had favorite execution methods, favorite tortures.

    One time they tied a womans legs to two camels and split her in half.
    Jesus never did that.
    Muhammed then took her daughter as a wife.
    I could go on for days of Muhammeds murderous adventures.

    I could give you 1500 pages of fine type, to compare to the Christian bible, even if you used the OT.
     

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