Islam & Christianity the same tradition ?

?? I don't have to admire anything about any religion.

And, tying specific actions to the religion of the local majority isn't a particularly good method of determining causes.

Did the USA conquer Iraq due to our religion? Did the USA help conquer Libya because of our religion? Does the USA support Israel's ethnic cleansing because of our religion? Does the USA support the government of Saudi Arabia because of our religion? Is Christianity in the US at the root of the reason the right wing wants to significantly reduce healthcare for those with low incomes - is that tied to what Jesus said? Is Christianity at the root of our growing xenophobia and the acts taken by white supremacists and border guards today? Were the Christian terrorists who used bombs and murder against the UK motivated by Christian principles?

I don't believe so.

And, I absolutely do not believe that the ISIS version of Islam is accepted by the vast majority of Islam, as noted by the fact that those fighting ISIS are pretty much ALL Muslims.

 

Read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" by John Perkins. He was an engineering consultant at Charles T Main, Boston. His job was to convince underdeveloped countries to take on large projects where US corporations would do the work and local economic growth would supposedly pay for the loans. However, the projects were not designed to cause anywhere near the claimed growth. So, the US underwrote the work US corporations did (so they came away with the cash) and the locals then owed the US enough money that the US could make both political and economic demands that these governments could no longer decline. Perkins points out that this was the plan from the start, and he details how it was used over and over again as a first person actor.

That's just one example. Bush used economic force to get small nations behind his group of nations in favor of conquering Iraq. Bush used economic force in Iraq to cause Maliki to be selected as leader when there were 3 people who garnered more votes in their election - and he very obviously turned out to be a HORRIBLE choice, leading Iraq into civil war and strong Iranian relations.

I don't see how your ideas of race address what I've said.

 

Israel's ethnic cleansing? So you're an admirer of Islam, but you don't know why?

 

Israel's ethnic cleansing is a well recognized and heinous international crime against humanity.

I said I don't have to admire Islam or any other religion. So, it's weird to me that you would harp on that "admire" nonsense.

 

Bunk, if Israel wanted to eliminate every Arab in their nation and vicinity, they could. Why this obsession with .02% of the world's population? They are bright light of freedom and democracy in a sea of Islamic repression and poverty.

 

Nonsense, large numbers of Muslims hold extreme positions. The difference in the above paragraph is that some of those things were done by Christians (putting aside your political bias) in spite of Jesus' teachings, the Jihadists act because of the word and deed of their bloody founder.

As far as politics, Jesus never told the government to do anything. Malcolm Muggeridge put it well:

"Jesus never once called for justice in this world, nor did he at any point give any indication of expecting justice. To cry for justice in human terms is as foolish as calling for iced water in the middle of the Sahara…….it is interesting to reflect that if Jesus had consented to join the Zealots and take a leading part in the Jewish nationalist movement, it would have been with a view to transferring sovereignty in Judaea from Roman hands to some indigenous monarch like Herod; comparable to transferring sovereignty from a gild-coated British Excellency to a Kuanda or Kenyatta or Amin. Such a transference would scarcely have needed an Incarnation to bring it about."

 

What's nonsense is your claim that Israel is committing ethnic cleansing.

 

?? That's just an absolute fact.

Look at any Israeli map of West Bank.

Read the news!

 

I do read the news. Self defense isn't ethnic cleansing. You're confused.

 

bulldozing people's homes, orchards, and stealing their land is not "self defense".

Rulling another country under your own military law, carried out by mercenaries, is not self defense.

Putting walls along water to capture arable land while leaving the high land to the locals is not self defense.

Stealing water rights and then charging the locals more than you charge occupiers is not self defense.

I could go on, obiously. You just don't have squat along this line.

I know of NO HUMAN POPULATION in history that would accept this treatment witout political and military opposition.

For example, the US carried out OUR revolution for not even a TINY FRACTION of the offenses comprising Israel's ethnic cleansing and the imposed military law Palestine has faced for more than 2 decades.

 

The homes of terrorists, yes, a good policy.

And I know of no population that would put up with thousands of rockets fired at civilians.

Funny how REAL ethinic cleansing/genocide done my Muslims against 'infidels' all over the world doesn't bother you. Lookup the Armenian genocide.

 

Turning a shithole into a progressive civilization. Too bad for the backwards murderous misogynistic tribal cult.

 

No, they are bulldozing homes of citizens who have no family record of wrongdoing.

For example, they bulldoze homes of Palestinian citizens in Palestine when they don't have original Israeli building permits for their homes. They have also bullozed Palestinian homes when Israel wants to use the land in some other way.

When there is a war, people fire rockets. Israel does that, too. I hate it, but Israel is open to NO way of conflict resolution and they ARE waging acrive daily war against Gaza and West Bank while stealing land and purposefully crushing the Palestinian economy.

What's amazing to me is that President Abbas has been able to keep the lid on in West Bank.

The other amazing FACT is that Netanyahu prevented Abbas from displacing the Hamas government of Gaza. Why does he WANT the Hamas government?

There is NOTHING FUNNY. And, I said "ethnic cleansing", because THAT is what is going on.

 

Are you SERIOUSLY going to claim that ethnic cleansing is benefitting Palestinian citizens???

 

You're the person claiming ethnic cleansing, not me.

 

The Spanish and Americans have probably done more ethnic cleansing than anyone.

 

If there wasn't any ethnic cleansing there wouldn't be any progress.

 

??? I know what I've stated.

You can answer my question any time now.

 

True. They brought civilization to backward savages and defeated evil totalitarians that enslaved millions.

 

The West slaughtered the VAST PERCENTAGE of the population living here through military and disease.

And, we're not respecting those who managed to live.

 

They were savages, much like the backwards muslims. If it wasn't for the oil in their ground they would still be living in tents and riding camels. All of their technology is from other cultures.

 

My comment was about people living here in the USA before we slaughtered them.

As for the ME, let's remember that the term "dark ages" applied to the western world at a time when the ME was advancing in physics, biology, medicine, mathematics, language, exploration, etc. In the ME, the circumference of Earth, the distance to the moon, etc., were known in BC years - when western Christianity was insisting on a totally bogus cosmology.

Algebra, algorithms, etc., are names coming directly from Arabic. Our numerals are Arabic. Galen's works on medicine were written in 200 CE and published in London in the 1500's. The works of Muhammad ibn Zakarīya Rāzi were part of the medical curriculum in European universities.

Since then, the wars of people from Russia, the US, India, and from within have caused huge destabilization for a few hundred years and it shouldn't be a raving shock that they had less time and wealth to invest in science.

 

Then obviously the spread of Islam reversed the progress the Arab world was experiencing.

 

Please read about the golden age of Islam.

A post is a bad place to try to write a history.

Wiki has an overview at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

Progress I mentioned before that date was created by the people of that region - so whether they were Muslims or not, they certainly were the same people.

One can't make an argument that Islam caused a slowdown in educated thought, as that period was an explosion of progress.

 

If you read the post posts you would see that my posts are relating to Christian views, not Jewish.