Isn't It Funny...

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  1. bringiton

    bringiton Well-Known Member

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    Wrong. That depends on whether those "criminal offenses" actually violate anyone's rights or not. Do you really think people should be imprisoned for having consensual sexual relations other than coitus, for cursing at a police officer, or for possessing the leaves and buds of a common weed? REALLY???
     
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    It is not "their fault" that they decline to be bullied by unjust laws. It is the fault of the evil, lying crooks who passed those laws. By your "logic," when North Koreans get decades in labor camps for possessing DVDs from South Korea, it's "their fault" because they knew it was illegal. A more disgraceful and despicable abdication of moral judgment and responsibility would be difficult to contrive.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well if the top 10% pay over 80%.....where does the money come from? You think government just materializes the money as a free gift? Government produces nothing. I think you just want to punish success. You don't like the fact we are free to own property and obtain wealth. Maybe you are not too successful in that arena. Try playing a musical instrument. I am jealous of people that can do that because it doesn't come very easy for me. I do not want to stop them from playing just like I look to the wealthy as possible customers.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You can smoke all the pot you want up to the point your harm somebody then you are especially responsible. If you want to push meth and other stuff..... I want to see you just not behind bars, but part of a work gang!
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Just a question Bob......have you ever tried to rationalize or deal with a person who regularly experiences the effects of Meth? I have a couple times. It is like experiencong someone from the twi light zone. An adult under that influence is a definite danger and threat to society. You may think it is harmless but I am against it 100%. Dealers should be sentenced to hard work and users should do straight time. Problem with that?
     
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    So, similar to the way alcohol companies are "especially responsible" when a drunk driver kills someone, or tobacco company executives are jailed when their products give their customers fatal lung cancer....?

    Oh, no, wait a minute, that's right: corporate drug pushers are never jailed, only private individuals pursuing their own happiness in consensual ways you don't approve of.
    Uh-huh. But you wouldn't touch the executives of alcohol or tobacco companies who slaughter their customers by the thousands, or the big pharma companies that get patients hooked on opioids for profit so they subsequently OD on contaminated illegal opiates, let alone the soda companies who make their customers obese and diabetic, would you? 'Course not. Logical consistency in the law wouldn't make America great again.
     
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    Yeah, the problem is that they are using crystal meth because safer and better alternatives are frickin' prohibited.
     
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    I think anyone who breaks any current laws should be punished. Whether or not certain laws should exist is another story. But as it stands, if you break the law you need to be punished.
     
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    I don’t live in North Korea so your whataboutism is useless.
    And yes, if you break any current laws it is your fault and only your fault. It’s called personal responsibility.
     
  10. bringiton

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    Which they don't.
    Almost all the money in circulation is created by private commercial banks when they lend. The Fed also creates a smaller amount through various operations, and the federal government even less.
    Yes. That is exactly how it works. You just don't know enough economics to know that. Google MMT and start reading.
    Such claims are false, absurd, and disingenuous. Government produces desirable public services and infrastructure such as education, roads, police and fire services, water and sewer systems, ports and airports, etc., etc. Most importantly, it produces the security of our individual rights, including property rights.
    I want "success" to mean success in contributing, not just success in taking.
    I don't like the fact that most of what you call property and wealth is actually unjust privilege that takes from others.
    I've done OK.
    Someone playing an instrument does not take anything from others. Privilege DOES take from others.

    GET IT??
     
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    You are rationalizing and justifying authoritarian oppression by government. Such views are simply evil. Unjust laws should be resisted, including by breaking them. It was precisely your kind of belief in "the law, right or wrong" that sustained slavery. Disgraceful.
     
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    Oh, dear. Oh, dear oh dear. Your despicable rationalization of authoritarian oppression may come back and punish you even if you think you live in a modern, civilized, democratic country:

    "First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
    -- Martin Niemoller

    GARBAGE. Rationalizing oppression and injustice by blaming the victim is despicable and evil.
     
  13. ECA

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    Hahaha...when one falls to comparing to slavery one has lost the argument. Very good
     
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    Hahaha...wait...let me see if I understand. If one illegally buys meth and gets caught and sent to jail...that person is a “victim”? That’s f’ing hilarious.
    Yes, abiding by current US laws is the same as the Holocaust....wow...hahaha
     
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    You can over indulge and it is your responsibility. Taking Meth, one time, can and does lead to addiction.....that is why it is illegal. It also leads to very destructive behavior. Ask law officials.

    Here is another thing you said that is completely absurd.
    Yeah, the problem is that they are using crystal meth because safer and better alternatives are frickin' prohibited.

    So.....what kind of drugs have been invented that will expand someones mind to the point they are entirely irrational that you would like to see manufactured legally? It seems you really would like to see the culture put it's stamp of approval on destructive irrational behavior. Are you using Crystal Meth to help formulate you opinions?
     
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    Government produces only at the expense of it's citizens. Government might produce security over our Gog given rights, but it does not dispense them.

    We are privileged because we are Americans. We are privileged to earn a living, keep and maintain our property and those rights do not take away from anyone. You are ripe for a Marxist takeover.
     
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    Correct.
    Millions of innocent people being unjustly imprisoned and having their lives destroyed for no defensible reason is not funny.
    Strawman fallacy. That the attitude is similar was precisely Niemoller's point.
     
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    Odd to think people who break the law are somehow “victims”. Actually it’s laughable.
     
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    Yes they are. As long as they peacefully transacted with the seller the victim is the person who bought the drug in your scenerio. The person making the arrest is actually infringing upon their freedom of association.
     
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    So, like alcohol, you mean....?

    Cannabinoids, MDMA, psilocybin, methaqualone, LSD; there are lots of possibilities.
    There is a difference between government approving irrational behavior -- like drinking alcohol -- and government respecting people's liberty rights to consensually pursue their own happiness by doing those things.
    I don't use psychoactive drugs, not even alcohol or nicotine, and haven't for decades. I'm guessing you like your own recreational drugs, it's just other people's that should be banned.
     
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    They are most certainly victims when they are jailed for doing things that violate no one's rights. And I'm not laughing.
     
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    :lol: If you think government is expensive, try no government.
    At least you admit you were wrong. If you were interested in understanding something about government (you're not), you would find a willingness to consider the fact that all the best countries in the world to live have large governments as a fraction of GDP, and all the countries that have small governments as a fraction of GDP are $#!+-holes.
    Equivocation fallacy.
    Property in land, IP monoolies, etc. indisputably take away from others.
    <yawn> I have crossed swords with plenty of Marxists on this very forum.
     
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    Nope. They KNOW they are breaking the law, therefore they are NOT a victim.
     
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    Nope. They KNOW they are breaking the law, therefore they are NOT a victim.
     
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    I am quite aware about drug abuse on a very personal basis, the above is irrelevant to what I posted. Having said that, I have a problem with anything and everything that violates the Constitution. I am also quite aware of the results for a nation that has a sane drug policy. The US government does not have a sane or humane drug policy, in fact just the opposite, it is racist and draconian and therefore inhumane and wholly unconstitutional. Your suggestion on how it should be dealt with is no different.
     
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