Israel Imposes Closure on West Bank and Gaza

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    i suspect your denial of the mistreatment of Jews at the hands of their Muslim rulers, is symptomatic of some hatred of Jews
     
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    Again...
    1 in 5 Algerians got killed by France, and the Algerian Jews sided with France who made that genocide. And you called that protecting civil and religious rights? And you dare to claim I am denying things? Look what you are denying?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    something tells me most Jews didn't support the colonial authorities.

    but the bigots blamed them anyways
     
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    Something tells me, you do not know the "Pied-Noir" includes the African Jews who fought with France, and massacred Algerians by the 100.000's, and ethnic cleansed by the millions. And that indeed by far, the Jews did fanatically support France. They all were even given the French nationality, based on their ethnicity by the Crémieux Decree.

    But all you're concerned with are the civil rights of those nazi's.
     
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    After Algeria gained its independence, it passed the 1963 Nationality Code, authorizing citizenship only to Muslims. This law extended citizenship only to those individuals whose fathers and paternal grandfathers were Muslim
     
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    jimmy rivers Well-Known Member

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    The facts:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1945_Anti-Jewish_riots_in_Tripolitania

    http://www.dailywire.com/news/14826...re-used-be-120000-jews-egypt-elliott-hamilton

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-refugees-from-arab-countries

    http://jcpa.org/article/the-expulsi...istory-of-ongoing-cruelty-and-discrimination/

    http://jewishrefugees.blogspot.com/2005/05/egyptian-jews-story.html

    "Yet, today, there is hardly a trace of us left. Nearly one million Jews, in nine Arab countries, were dispossessed, then expelled simply because we are Jews. The only Jews left are in the cemeteries, dead Jews. Our homes, businesses, synagogues, schools, hospitals, home for the aged and other community property, are gathering dust in Cairo, Alexandria, Baghdad, Aleppo, Tunis, Aden and Tripoli. This region in effect, is now Judenrein. In the words, of Bernard Lewis, the renowned British Middle East expert, we have become “a shadow of history”. This is the main reason why, a couple of years ago, we founded JIMENA, “Jews Indigenous to the Middle East and North Africa”. We want to tell America’s Jewish and non-Jewish population, our story, that we too were made refugees, that we too, lost our homes and our possessions."

    But behind this veneer of security and prosperity was an undercurrent of uncertainty and fear. Although antisemitism was not yet rampant, it was still here and there. I was young and innocent at the time, but understood that Jews were second-class citizens whose future prosperity depended on how we behaved vis a vis our Arab/Muslim rulers.

    The brief, 50-year honeymoon between the Arab world and its Jews came to an abrupt and dramatic end in 1945. It was so fundamental it became irreversible. This was when 3,000 years of Jewish history died.

    Arab nationalism and xenophobia spread like wildfire, aimed first at their British and French occupiers, then at the Jews. Also behind this paroxysm of hate was the Muslim Brotherhood, a fanatic and fundamentalist organization started in 1927. Its mission was to Islamize Egypt. Its members included Ayman al Zawahiri ( Ben Laden’s right hand man), Gamal Abdel Nasser, Egypt’s future president and, I’m sad to say, Anwar El Sadat.

    There were other problems. The Egyptian government had earlier on passed the Nationality Law, which made it next to impossible for Jews to get citizenship especially since our religion was clearly identified on our birth certificates. Only 5% of Jews had Egyptian passports.

    We were also being strangled economically. In 1947, a Company Law was passed restricting employment of Jews in many businesses. Many Jews found themselves out of work. As the Palestinian issue heated up, our fears increased. Five Arab armies were getting ready to pounce on the new Jewish state. They were confident of victory. In the U.N. the Secretary General to the Arab League, Azzam Pasha, an Egyptian, made it clear what would happen:

    “This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacre and Crusades”.

    On May 15, 1948, the New York Times had the following headline on the front page:

    “Jews in grave danger in Moslem lands”

    So, only two years after the Holocaust of six million Jews, the Arabs are boasting to the world that they will massacre some more.

    The war turned into a humiliating defeat for the Arabs. In revenge, Arab leaders began attacking their Jewish citizens. Jewish parts of Cairo, Tripoli, Tunis, Aden and Baghdad were rocked with bombs. Hundreds were killed, maimed, women were raped and Jewish property looted and burned.

    In Cairo and other Arab capitals, crowds chanted:

    “Al Yahud Kelab el Arab” The Jews are the dogs of the Arabs.
    And “Edbah el Yahud”, slaughter the Jews.

    It was like hell in Dante’s Inferno.

    We were so terrified that we didn’t want to leave our homes. Our kind Egyptian doorman told me to say the following if I were being attacked in the street:

    ”Ana Muslim Mwahed b’Illah” I am a Muslim and I believe in Allah.

    Some Jews fled to the Sudan and to South Africa, others to Europe. Most, however, waited it out thinking things would eventually improve.
    It was the wrong decision, for, in July 1952: “there arose a new king over Egypt who knew not Joseph…and they set taskmasters to afflict them with burdens…and their lives were made bitter.”
    Who was that new king? Gamal Abdel Nasser, Egypt’s new president, the embodiment of evil, megalomania and anti Semitism.

    He and his fellow officers systematically began confiscating private properties belonging to Jews, Muslims and Christians. My father’s business was among them. Some Jews were imprisoned, others, turned poor overnight. A few daring families smuggled some money or jewels to safety with the help of airline pilots. Yet others had heart attacks or fell in a state of depression.

    This pattern of harassment, imprisonment and expulsion swept the entire Arab world, from Casablanca to Tripoli to Damascus. In Iraq in January 1969, nine Jews were hanged in public to the cheers of the crowd. In Syria, Jews were in deadly fear, some of them fleeing for their lives, among them was Jerry Seinfeld’s mother. In the entire Arab world, this frenzy of killing, rape and torture went unheeded by the world and the United Nations. Are you surprised?

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    So the liars and frauds claiming that the jews were not ethnically cleansed out of arab muslim countries including Egypt have no clue about the facts - nor do they want to.
     
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    When the light is shined on them, the anti-semitic trash scurries like cockroaches and rats, no surprise there.
     
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    I don't understand. There's this wonderful tool, masterfully crafted for the sole purpose of allowing quick and easy exchange of information from one corner of this globe to another. Why don't people use it?

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/in-gaza-using-agriculture-to-grow-the-economy/

    As for punishing the Gazans, well...

    A tale of two sisters:
    Two sisters entered Israel from Gaza. One had cancer. The other sister had explosives.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-...plosives-labeled-medicine-israel-says/8459426

    But...but...the Warsaw ghetto...

    Tell me, how many international organizations and foreign governments donated money and know-how to the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto? How many German restaurants and buses have been blown up by Warsaw Jews? How many Jewish patients from the Warsaw ghetto were treated in German hospitals during WWII?

    This atrocious distortion of both reality and common sense is nothing else than the latest manifestation of the oldest excuse for hating Jews - "they have brought this on themselves".

    Go back - way back - and carefully check your premises. Somewhere along the way you - all those who think like you - have accepted unproven premises and turned the story built on them into Gospel. You've built yourselves a new religion, whose damned god is the Jewish devil. It's very, very sad that you can't see how much venomous hatred is dripping from most of your posts. It blows my mind, because you certainly are not antisemitic, yet you're more than willing to believe the worst about those Jews who don't fit your worldview.

    Individuals - even the worst of our enemies - are rarely, if ever, good or bad. They're usually a mix between the two. But it seems that our brains need to classify and define in such a way as to simplify things. We must be very careful not to simplify too much.
     
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