Israel intelligence helped US kill Soleimani

so pre-48, then? Is it your assertion that blue eyed Jews purchasing Ottoman land is the cause of all this ruckus?

And why post pix of blue eyed Jews and green eyes Arabs of today? hmm...

quite right. And a sizable chunk of that Islamic land was owned by Germany's ally. They lost the war. The victors divided the spoils as victors always have. A sliver was set aside for the Jews. Also an historical fact.

it was not their house. It was never their house. It was the Ottoman empire. Turks. Turks that many might say were decidedly more "Caucasian", and culturally more Iranian than Arab.

So what is the key difference in having government by Jews as opposed to Ottoman Turks?

If I lose my rent house in a poker game with Joe, why would the renters launch a decades long intifada when the house was never theirs to begin with?

ʿAbdullāh I (born 1882, Mecca—died July 20, 1951, Jerusalem),
became the first ruler (1946–51) of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan. ʿAbdullāh, was the second son of Ḥusayn ibn ʿAlī, the ruler of the Hejaz.

You remember Abdullah, don't you? Son of the Sharif of Mecca and one time caliph? He was assassinated in Jerusalem by a Palestinian.

 

So we should respect "Indigenous rights" for everyone save the Jew?

 

These are NOT Refugees - They are Prisoners -
& it is NOT "Arab Nations" that has Imprisoned, Torture & even Murdered these kids

And we lay the responsibility for these Atrocities directly at the feet of Willfully Ignorant people
Who blithely believe the Absurdity that these are Untermensch who deserve the Repression
........... under which they are forced to live, and who defend the indefensible , rather that face
................................................ the uncomfortable FACT of their own Complicity in this Barbarity

The taking and incarceration of Children is just another one of many the disproportionate,
and Illegal collective punishments that Zionist Israel has devised in their futile imposition
of tyranny and oppression upon the Palestinian people.


Military Detention | Defense for Children Palestine
https://www.dci-palestine.org/issues_military_detention
Israel has the dubious distinction of being the only country in the world that automatically
and systematically prosecutes children in military courts that lack fundamental fair trial
rights and protections. Israel prosecutes between 500 and 700 Palestinian children in
military courts each year.
....... and ill treatment and torture of Palestinian children in Israeli military detention,

73 percent experienced physical violence following arrest
95 percent were hand tied
86 percent were blindfolded
49 percent were detained from their homes in the middle of the night
64 percent faced verbal abuse, humiliation, or intimidation
74 percent of children were not properly informed of their rights
96 percent were interrogated without the presence of a family member
20 percent were subject to stress positions
49 percent signed documents in Hebrew, a language most Palestinian children don’t understand

Israeli Ill-Treatment Of Detained Palestinian Minors Must End
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/blogs/childrens-human-rights-network-blog/israeli-ill-treatment-detained-palestinian-minors-must

The systematic ill treatment and torture of Palestinian children has been widely documented
in recent years, with Amnesty International finding that Israeli forces had “tortured and
otherwise ill-treated Palestinian detainees, including children, particularly during arrest and
interrogation”, with methods including “beating with batons, slapping, throttling, prolonged
deprivation and threats.”







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Of course, images of children are presented to subvert and emotionally
manipulate the viewer. The parents of these children were not even
born in 1948 when the Arabs planned to kill every child in Israel.

You might find appeal in these sort of images, but if you were honest
with yourself you might want to Google 'children Israel terrorism" and
see what blood and guts (forget fences) turns up.

Here's another one for you


it reduces the complexity of the issue down to caricature, and
says nothing about the tens of thousands of Israelis civilians
murdered by Muslims for the crime of living in their own home
land. A homeland BTW that millions of Palestinians said they
would not stay in until the Jews were driven out or killed. And
hence the reason for most of the "refugees.".

 

Thank you for the links, I'll give them a read...later, it's dinnertime! lol

It is always shocking to see minors incarcerated.

Along our southern border we too have kids in detention centers, albeit most are with a parent. Sad, nonetheless.

Oh, that we could leave the kiddies out of messy adult affairs.

 

Israel intelligence helped US kill Soleimani

Just to get back to the original post, this is good news. Also likely very routine activity between two allied nations.

 

For Palestinian kids their parents will not leave them out
In fact they are openly used to manipulate world opinion.
On Fatah's Facebook it states plainly that Jerusalem was
was taken by force and must be taken back by force.
Islam is the weapon and the children are the ammunition.

Jerusalem BTW was the capitol of Israel until the Roman
era. Today many Arabs live there peacefully and they even
prohibit Jews from worshiping on the temple mount - another
uniquely Jewish structure.

 

yes, we've all seen the Mickey Mouse propaganda videos. And know that Jewish school children have been targeted while the Pals use their own as shields, all this.

And there can be no doubt that the Arab Nations, assisted by the UN, are responsible for the plight of the Palestinian refugees.

But Eadora states that her image was of Palestinian detainees in the custody of Israeli forces. That is another matter altogether, and deserves its own contemplation.

Edit: I would however like to see a source for that image. @Eadora?

 

There are times when children are swept up in Israeli dragnets - during the intifada for
instance. Palestinian kids are often used as media fodder with their slingshots to give
the impression of David vs Goliath struggles. Their target isn't Israelis but the Western
Left who cheer underdogs, regardless of the right or wrong of the issue. Like Vietnam
this is a TV war - images matter more than substance.

 

The US and Israel have that symbiotic relation between them and wasting that old chap is of there own mutual interest.

 

We take into account all of them are targeted, that's the whole point of deploying terrorists, they operate outside the rules of war.
I disagree the FSA was a proxy, they were a natural outcome of Assad policy and they were very poorly armed, also supplying weapons is not the same as taking orders from Iranian heads.

EDIT: Iran proxy bombed the oil refinery that had an actual effect on trade, they took a bet the US would not declare war over it, Trump did the same only he didn't hide, he had to use "he's a terrorist" excuse but in my opinion the message that the US will not tolerate Iranian "innocent" farts any longer was fully received..and he actually did good to many by that move. good bet.

 

Of course, they did. There's nothing uncommon in it. It's an ongoing thing. Mossad operates all through that region and whenever they have info that benefits the U.S. ........

 

and Soleimani was the brain behind getting rid of ISIS. Israel is known to want at least some ISIS to remain. He probably was killed because of his success in destroying ISIS and keeping ME countries free from domination by the black flag.

Israeli Intel Chief: We Don’t Want ISIS Defeated in Syria

 

He helped against ISIS and led the Qudes forces against Israel, you pick on ISIS because it fits your agenda, not reason or logic.

 

It is what he was known for and why his murder is so overwhelming mourned.. You as usual are simply using personal attacks rather than legitimate argument. Israel wanted ISIS to remain in Syria. He was getting rid of it. The US and Israel were the only people in on the killing of a member of the Iranian Government. Israel of course also wants war with Iran and the killing of a member of the Iranian Government was an act of war. However back to Israel's desire to keep ISIS alive and killing.
ISIS wants to kill Shia. That is their main interest. You yourself said you were glad he was dead because he was good at his job. His job was getting rtid of ISIS. Now stop being dishonest in your personal attacks.

 

People are dying because Israel is refusing to allow them medical care. People dying of cancer and other illnesses for which no medical care is a death sentence. Children have to go for serious medical help that their lives depends on without a parent their to console them as Israel will not let the parents through. That is psychological torture.

Talking of torture

https://imemc.org/article/severe-to...natsheh-samer-arbeed-mays-abu-ghosh-and-more/


Israel also would not let people through to the West bank to get medical treatment to save their legs which they could not get in Gaza after she had deliberately shot them in the leg with exploding new bullets she was experimenting with,. In particular she would not let athletes through.

If you are holding people under siege while you are colonising their country do not be surprised if they do not have needed medical hep. After Israel had been destroying hospitals in Gaza in 2014 they had to keep the bodies of babies in ice cream containers.

Sure Israel has money from the land it has Colonised from the Palestinians. Colonialism always take the riches of the indigenous people. It is what the whole show is about.

 

Known for where ??? Death to America magazine ?

You KNOW he led Qudes forces, you KNOW Qudes stands for "liberation" of Jerusalem and you KNOW those forces fight Israel, you CHOSE to pick on ISIS in effort to get heat on Israel, it got NOTHING to do with objective reasoning.

Nonsense, the US, Russia, Turkey, Jordan and others fought ISIS. Israel didn't want ISIS and didnt exploit the situation to "expand" like Turkey did - but you still accuse Israel for such plans.

Maybe, not the only that benefited for it, most of the fighting took place in Iraq so many happy Iraqis as well.

We would have bombed the nuclear sites years ago if we did

Blood libel

Don't copy paste my words to fit your agenda, I repeatedly said he led forces In Lebanon, Syria, Gaza and Iraq - against Israel, that's what we bomb in Syria and Iraq and that's why he was our enemy, not ISIS who many other countries fought against.

 

This is certainly true and I'm sure it's just as common as institutions such as INTERPOL.

Two murderers in cahoots to assassinate a man by bombing an airport (a terrorist strike in itself) taking the lives of 9 bystanders with an untold number of innocent casualties and you treat it like a righteous success against terrorism.

 

write a proper answer rather than taking one line and baiting and I will reply to you. It is what everyone says he was doing. Everyone. No doubt that was why you were glad he was dead. Being an Israeli I imagine like your intelligence you will want ISIS to survive. You yourself told me years ago ISIS would be allowed to survive and set up a country once they got rid of their leaders so do not tell me you do not support Isis.

 

This is an Arab lie posted only from Arab sources, he never said we don't want ISIS defeated, he said when they are defeated Israel should look out that Iran doesn't take over once US and Russia leaves Syria, its an Arab and obviously other Israel haters wet dream to link ISIS with Israel. sick ppl, their ignorance and stupidly is their downfall decade after decade, they never learn......

 

Oh please. You call antiwar an arab source. Next you'll be saying that Israel did not attack/kill forces attacking ISIS so that ISIS could escape/win

https://news.antiwar.com/2016/06/21/israeli-intel-chief-we-dont-want-isis-defeated-in-syria/

Well I guess if the US is moving out it has at least murdered the man most responsible for getting ISIS out of the area - may leave a possibility for it to regroup. ISIS did thank the US for the killing of Soleimani. They were one of the people who benefited most from his assassination.

 

Most certainly and very insightful. I think you hit the nail on the head about Israel/U.S.using ISIS (et al.) as an unwitting tool of proxy Black Flag treachery.

 

OFC I do not support ISIS, kindly stop with your Jihadi pornographic propaganda against Israel and focus on the real world

 

They quoted an Arab source and yes I'm saying Israel never helped ISIS, that's pretty much insane lady.....

 

Dude - the Iranians were fighting our terrorist proxy army - they were on the side of good - not evil.