Israel intelligence helped US kill Soleimani

Brilliant, Spooky!!

 

If the report is true, then kudos to Israel for helping us.

But that still does not mean that we owe them anything. They need to continue to forward US interests or suffer the consequences.

 

I do not agree with extra judicial killings and see it as one of the ways the West has deteriorated from lawful society. However Soleimani was a State actor. The business of just killing anyone you want is pretty sick anyway but once you start illegally killing members of another States Government, clearly you yourself are the terrorists.

 

What on earth does this have to do with anything. If you are suggesting the Palestinians must be shot and lose their homeland because of Russian Pogroms sorry this is too crazy for me.

 

I suppose you imagine that US bombs don't kill.

 

Both of you act unlawfully.

 

Ah no. Many Jews don't live in Israel for a reason.
Most Orthodox Jews don't even believe in the state of Israel.

I am not sure what "repugnant political ideology" you are
referring to - certainly having the Jews return to their home
land is not repugnant, is it?

Are you okay with the repugnant political ideology of Hamas?

 

Who attacked?
Not the state.
By the way, Jews have had always problems with non-Jews, among any nation and religion.
It is the only nation which was kicked out from 109 countries and nations within the last 1800 years.

 

Imagine many native Americans fled to Canada in the 1800's.
And some decided it was time to go home because the Canadians
were treating them badly, even killing them.
And the UN and some Americans sought to facilitate the integration
of these natives - against the wishes of some white Americans.
This is where the Jews find themselves.
Israel is their country, let them return.

 

Where do you get these figures from? Never heard them before.
My family were kicked out of Portugal, at least, that was the last
country they were kicked out of.

 

This is a lot of nothing nicely packaged with big words.

Let's put some meat on this nothing, if possible.

Names, please - the name of the organizations in this group, the names of their leaders. Details about their activities - when did they become active, what were their actions, where did they get funding and how much, how did they manage to have such a great impact on politicians from several European countries then and not at all now.

Please name the members of the military industrial lobby and other imperialist lobbies. Statements based on vague or missing information are impossible to verify.

Which Jews collaborated with the Nazis during WWII, and how? Names and specific activities, please.

Names of those successful Jews, please. Define "powers". Define "real content of the term "Jew"". Names of the Christian Zionists - or at least their leaders - who worked with those unnamed (hopefully you'll rectify this minor inconvenience) successful Jews. How exactly did this collaboration function? What did those successful Jews and those Christian Zionists do?

Were the majority of Indian Muslims consulted before India was torn apart to give them a country?

What's your point?

So...you never heard of Hovevei Zion...why am I not surprised?
https://www.jpost.com/Blogs/Opinion...he-type-of-thought-that-saved-a-people-402203

Most religious Jews didn't consider Zionism blasphemy and heresy. Neturei Karta are not representative of religious Jews.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/religious-zionism

Nice try to equate Israel to a war mongering party, but no. The far left - Jews and non-Jews alike - is anti-Zionist by default, because it still follows religiously the Soviet anti-Zionist line. The far left will always condemn Israel, no matter what.

The same Soviet anti-Zionist propaganda was aggressively disseminated in the Muslim world, by the way. Your talking points are similar to that propaganda in places.

Here's an excerpt from an article in a Jordanian newspaper, which shows how was Soviet anti-Zionist and anti-Western propaganda pushed to the Arab world:

The article is, of course, in Arabic.
https://www.addustour.com/articles/1126027-أوراق-غير-متناثرة-في-«الصهيونية-الاستيطانية»

Here's the link to the same article translated using Simple Translate:
https://translate.google.com/transl...%AA%D9%8A%D8%B7%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%8A%D8%A9%C2%BB

Ironically, the Soviet Bear was quick to recognize modern Israel in 1948, allowing Czechoslovakia to sell weapons to the embargoed Jewish state (an arms embargo established by the US of A at the request of the Perfidious Albion, you know, the powers corrupted by Evangelical foot soldiers indoctrinated by military industrial imperialist lobbies, but how and why did they give up on their Rapture only chance? a mystery). The Soviets used Zionists as a proxy to fight against British interests in the Middle East then, later throwing Israel under the bus to buy influence in the Muslim world.

The Arab left in Palestine, by the way, helped Zionists fight for a Jewish state. Against a western power, no less. But the narrative of Israel as a western colonialist imperialist enterprise, so dear to the left today, with no roots in historical truth, still haunts minds and hearts, a sinister ghost of the cold war.

Except that Jews - in general - don't believe in the Christian Rapture, so we couldn't care less what the goals of Christian Zionists are as long as the dirty work is left to God, not humans - unlike Nazis, and unlike Twelver Shia and other Muslims, who believe all Jews must die at their hands before their own version of Rapture can be reached. Your comparison has no feet to stand on.

You still have to prove your assertions regarding the role of Christian Zionists in the establishment of the state of Israel.

How dramatic. Shakespeare who?

The unproven premises packed in this paragraph make any short answer impossible. The fight, however, is not against Iran, it's against the regime that vowed to destroy Israel and is working toward this goal.

 

https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/expelled.htm

 

Keeping in mind that 80% of the land was the property of the Ottoman Sultan, the Jews couldn't have bought more than a portion of the 20% left. Much of the 20%, however, was not the property of local Arabs, but of absentee landlords who didn't live in Palestine, like the Soursock family in Lebanon.

History is a bit more complicated than "western powers this and western powers that". Google "white paper 1939", for instance. MENA Jews also immigrated in large numbers to Palestine.

All sides have done unspeakable deeds, but each only sees the other's...

 

France wouldn't prosecute Muslims who attack Jews.

Chalom Levy
https://www.jta.org/2020/01/03/glob...ailant-deemed-unfit-to-stand-trial-dies-at-65

Sarah Halimi
https://www.france24.com/en/2020010...ustice-for-murdered-jewish-woman-sarah-halimi

 

Much appreciated. It's quite an eye opener.
My nephew once declared, "I hate Jews"
so we reminded him - he was of Jewish descent himself.
It's a strange cultural thing, this Jew hatred.

But the bible says those who bless the Jew will be blessed.
And the Jew will return out of exile when the Gentiles time is fulfilled.
There shouldn't be Jews in the world after 2,000 years - there's no
Moabites, Edomites, Phillistines, Amalekites, Assyrians etc.. But
there's still the Jew.
And there should be several hundred million Jews - only there's only
about 12 million - the bible says the Jew will always be few in number.

 

And did these hypothetical native Americans decide to return home after one thousand years? Returning home is good and all, but don’t expect things to be all rosy after a millennium has passed. In other words, the Jew were way too late in returning home.

 

Which is nonsense. That Iranian general had a meeting that day with an Iraqi minister. The US is all over Iraq. Soldiers guarding the airport where the general landed. Drones up in the air and everything. Only a fool would believe some 3rd party would know it all better and the US being unaware what happens right where they are at.

That's not how an asymmetric war plays out. US compounds are being hit by rockets again and again from inside Iraq these days.

 

I note you have called me a fool.

I do not know where you are trying to show your massive superiority here.

 

I will give you what you are asking, but please save the next round of your comments (which based on your past history, will be attacks on the cites/authors I have quoting) for someone else. You can get this information from other sources with different backgrounds and perspective, including anyone who knows the backgrounds and views of the British cabinet and British PM (George) that voted for the Balfour declaration. I use this cite for your because it brings together several of the issues you are asking me about and I don't have to waste my time from one source to another. You can check the footnotes and the authorities cited for further information.

http://www.balfourproject.org/evangelicals-the-balfour-declaration-and-zionism/
Evangelicals, the Balfour Declaration and Zionism

The above is already too long for an excerpt on a message board. You can read the rest of it on your own, but here a few other excerpts to help you along:

You can take the names you need from those non-Jewish figures who signed the project statement for the Project for a New American Century and then learn more about the issue reading an article I believe I once referred you to but you quickly dismissed, despite the article being written by two former CIA analysts here. Today, these folks would be represented by people like Senator Graham, Senator Cotton in the Congress, and others elsewhere, working with people like Mike Pence who represents the Christian evangelical Zionists in America and Mike Pompeo.

The names of the more prominent, non-Jewish, signatories of the PNAC statement of principles are highlighted by me below. Some of them have connections to the Christian evangelical Zionists as well, but many of them represent the military industrial lobbies.

I am already 'inconvenienced' enough and you need to do the rest of your own research. I just wanted anyone who might have been misled by your comments to get a sense of what informed by post, not to 'prove' anything to anyone who wants to engage in polemical debates here.

 

"Way too late" ???
Is this like some "statute of limitations" ????
How long before native people in the Americas and
Australasia have reached this statute?

Now Jews have been driven out of about 120 countries
(and this is starting to happen again in Western ones)
WHERE DO YOU PROPOSE WE SEND THE JEWS?

Jews banished from:

YEAR . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .PLACE


250 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Carthage

415 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Alexandria

554 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Diocèse of Clermont (France)

561 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Diocèse of Uzès (France)

612 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visigoth Spain

642 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visigoth Empire

855 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Italy

876 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sens

1012 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz

1182 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France

1182 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Germany

1276 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Upper Bavaria

1290 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - England

1306 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France

1322 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France (again)

1348 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Switzerland

1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hielbronn (Germany)

1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Saxony

1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary

1360 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary

1370 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Belgium

1380 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Slovakia

1388 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Strasbourg

1394 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Germany

1394 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France

1420 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lyons

1421 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Austria

1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Fribourg

1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Zurich

1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Cologne

1432 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Savoy

1438 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz

1439 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Augsburg

1442 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands

1444 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands

1446 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria

1453 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France

1453 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Breslau

1454 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurzburg

1462 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz

1483 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz

1484 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Warsaw

1485 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vincenza (Italy)

1492 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spain

1492 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Italy

1495 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lithuania

1496 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples

1496 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Portugal

1498 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Nuremberg

1498 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Navarre

1510 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenberg

1510 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prussia

1514 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Strasbourg

1515 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Genoa

1519 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Regensburg

1533 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples

1541 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples

1542 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague & Bohemia

1550 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Genoa

1551 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria

1555 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pesaro

1557 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague

1559 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Austria

1561 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague

1567 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurzburg

1569 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Papal States

1571 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenburg

1582 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands

1582 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary

1593 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenburg, Austria

1597 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Cremona, Pavia & Lodi

1614 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Frankfort

1615 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Worms

1619 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Kiev

1648 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ukraine

1648 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Poland

1649 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hamburg

1654 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Little Russia (Beylorus)

1656 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lithuania

1669 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Oran (North Africa)

1669 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vienna

1670 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vienna

1712 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sandomir

1727 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russia

1738 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurtemburg

1740 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Little Russia (Beylorus)

1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague, Bohemia

1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Slovakia

1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Livonia

1745 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Moravia

1753 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Kovad (Lithuania)

1761 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bordeaux

1772 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Deported to the Pale of Settlement (Poland/Russia)

1775 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Warsaw

1789 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Alsace

1804 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Villages in Russia

1808 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Villages & Countrysides (Russia)

1815 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lbeck & Bremen

1815 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Franconia, Swabia & Bavaria

1820 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bremen

1843 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russian Border Austria & Prussia

1862 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Areas in the U.S. under General Grant's Jurisdiction[1]

1866 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Galatz, Romania

1880s - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russia

1891 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Moscow

1919 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria (foreign born Jews)

1938-45 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Nazi Controlled Areas

1948 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Arab Countries (SEVEN OF THESE)

 

Well, when you come back to Palestine with blonde hair and blue eyes, and with a culture that is foreign to the already indigenous peoples there, you know you’ve been too late!

As to where to send the Jews, well, it’s too late for that question too. I think the Europeans should have compensated them, since it was they who were always exiling and killing them (as your list shows).

 

Well in my country there are no pure-blood Aborigines left.
Would you allow them to re-enter the country if we removed
them for a few centuries?
Amongst Orthodox Jews there is remarkable genetic evidence
for fidelity amongst the women. Jews in Rome have the most
pure racial DNA of nearly every group studied.
If you are genetic Jew in particular you have "right of return"
to return your ancient homeland of Israel. This isn't Arab
homeland - go to the Arabian peninsula for that.

Compensating Jews isn't on - there's more than half the nations
on earth who have persecuted Jews. AND ITS STILL HAPPENING.
No, even the most rabid anti-Semite must acknowledge - the Jews
should be allowed to return to their homeland.

 

Imagine what would happen to the world if the Jews were"several hundred million" in numbers? As it stands, Jews are only a minuscule 0.25% of the world population and at that have contributed

22% Nobel prize winners
47% world chess champions
51% Oscars for best score and best song
Thinkers of the 20th Century - 30%
40% eminent psychologists
Business. finance, education, medicine, government, Hollywood, cosmetics, literature, law, philosophy charity, etc, etc, etc...

Nah... we do not need anymore Jews

 

re

The Church of Scotland in' The Inheritance of Abraham' said that it was probably because of the Imperialism of the time that he said that. It being considered that a place was not inhabited if it did not already have white people colonising/ruling it.