Israel is COLLAPSING!

You seem confused. I entered this conversation because YOU said...

"They're not protesting against Israeli blanket bombing of Gaza and they're not protesting illegal expansion in west bank, because they support it. Were they to do that, then you'll surely see arrests, surveillance, anal probing and all manner of interrogation tactics."



I didn't make that assumption. responded to YOU hypothetical. Your denial of putting forth this concept does not make any sense. It is all there in black and white in post 279 on this very page.

 

You are shocked by the bitter truth, and that is fairly common. As J. Edgar put it all those years ago, one of his few honest statements, "The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists." Hoover was basically describing what the shrinks call "cognitive dissonance" an ordinary response for many or most humans. That is, the truth is so shocking and so unpleasant that part of the mind will not admit it.

Anyway, all the best to you Kriman.

 

After 25 years in the military, I tend to believe an official report by the military as opposed to no official reports to the contrary.

 

My apologies. “Borderline demonic”.

 

Yes, I know. You're a "good soldier". As Tennyson immortalized it, yours is not to wonder why, yours is but to do, and die.

Critical thinking and questioning are not rewarded in the military. Following orders no questions asked is rewarded.

 

I was rewarded well. So obviously, you are wrong.

 

never mentioned Jews either.
Try again

 

If you're happy then I'm happy.

Only fools kid themselves into believing the statements and claims of known liars.

 

Listen to your own advice.

Are you claiming that the same people who wrote this report are the same ones that made the reports on Vietnam? Or are you claiming that everyone associated with the military is a liar.? You really need to reconsider what you are saying. I am better than that and so are the other millions who have served honorably so that you are allowed to spout such garbage.

 

I'm not offering advice here sir, I am merely pointing out unpleasant facts. I make a habit of mistrusting known liars and all men holding power and authority. Many do not.

 

Again:

Are you claiming that the same people who wrote this report are the same ones that made the reports on Vietnam? Or are you claiming that everyone associated with the military is a liar.? You really need to reconsider what you are saying. I am better than that and so are the other millions who have served honorably so that you are allowed to spout such garbage.

Your language is insulting.

 

I would not want for the US Government were to cut all ties to Israel (as if AIPAC would ever let that happen) but the US Government is doing Israel's peace seeking, decent and rational citizens an enormous disservice by blindly bankrolling genocidal Zionist war criminals.

I can promise you that if the Israelis had to pay for their own wars, occupations, defense and "Greater Israel" expansionism that they would suddenly discover a way to make peace with Palestine's native residents.

America's unconditional $ Trillions corrupts Israel's political balance and tips the scales in favor of Israel's extreme right wing expansionists who promise other right wing Zionist "Settler" types free Palestinian land.
What greedy, violent and delusional Zionist doesn't want free Palestinian land?

The Zionist tentacles you mentioned early are frighteningly obvious when "Holocaustland" carries out the most egregious genocide of the century and the moral Western World governments cower before Zionist lobbies and the "Holocaust card".

I am not optimistic.

Many thanks,

 

Jesus was a hippy who hanged around with the poor. The Christians you speak of above are polar opposite of Jesus.

 

Your refusal to believe the truth or refute anything I have both written and supported indicates that your opinion is based more on a stubborn loyalty to Israel over the US and loyal American Veterans.

If you were being truthful, you would be $10,000- richer:




$10,000 Challenge
https://www.usslibertyveterans.org/10000challenge.html

EXCERPT "The Liberty Veterans Association offers a $10,000 reward to anyone who can establish the truth of A. Jay Cristol's claim:

"After ten official US investigations (including five congressional investigations), there was never any evidence that the attack was made with knowledge that the target was a US ship." CONTINUED

 

My loyalty is to loyal American Veterans. It is their report that I believe.

Show me a report by a reputable source.

 

Well, maintaining ties with Israel is benign enough, especially if it's to help broker a peace deal - but, like you said, continuing to aid in its genocide is another matter.

Still, the US shouldn't be forced to support Israel with American tax dollars just because the Zionist lobby says it would be "anti-Semitic" to do so, or because we're told it "serves American interests" - particularly since most of the aid goes to support Israel's military. No doubt the threat of cutting off support to Israel would be enough to force Israelis to accept a peace plan, even if this means accepting a drastic regime change.

I'm not optimistic about the fate of Israelis because I don't see a shift in their radical views happening anytime soon. I feel the Israelis are like the blind walking towards a cliff. But I'm optimistic about the Palestinians and the rest of the Middle East. I feel, in time, they'll rise from the ashes, unify, and collectively keep the Middle East safe and peaceful. And Iran may be very instrumental in this effort.

 

Interesting. I wasn't aware of the $10,000 reward.

I recall watching a documentary about this attack on the Liberty many years ago. I came away fully convinced that Israel knew full well it was an American ship, but wanted to sink the ship and kill everyone on board (including survivors in the water) so that there wouldn't be any witnesses.


The following I found on Quora, which partly sums up the documentary I had watched.

Vano Sasuntsi said:

The attack was no accident, it was well planned in advance as a false flag operation by Israel and certain Zionists in US Government

• USS liberty even though a spy ship was flying the US flag, as per the testimony of almost all surviving crew members
• In the 2007 revelations and recordings of communications it was revealed that the ground control station ordered the air crafts to attack and sink the target and ensure they left no survivors
• The intention of the attack was to blame Egypt and drag US into the conflict
• Israel got caught and got caught bad, all SOS messages were being blocked by Israel
• A single SOS message got through and almost immediately Israel stopped the attack
• The first attack by air crafts targeted all communications antennas & equipment

And this:

Shiza Siddiqui said:


This incident was preceded by an attack by Israel on Egypt, Syria and Jordan in an attempt to establish a Greater Israel through occupation of Arab lands. Israel was neither under attack nor under threat of attack as Israeli commanders later conceded. The air raid sirens were props in the stagecraft of waging war by way of deception. The circumstances were stage-managed and controlled to make both Israelis and foreign observers believe the Jewish state was endangered, while Tel Aviv annexed land belonging to its neighbors that it still occupies.

THE LIBERTY INCIDENT... (continued)


You can read the rest of Shiza's very lengthy, but excellent & very detailed post here:

https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Israe...nce-the-US-was-Israels-biggest-ally-after-all

 

I am able to distinguish between our country and its government. So was Mark Twain: "Patriotism means supporting your country all of the time, but its government only when it deserves it"

Twain's wisdom may escape you, as you come across as being unable to distinguish between country and government. They want people to conflate the 2.

 

Thank you, again, for your refreshingly rational and insightful observations.

When I suggested maintaining ties with Israel, I would limit them to diplomatic peace efforts and artistic / cultural exchanges.

For example, after numerous vocations, travels and misadventures, I started blacksmithing about 30 years ago.
At an International Blacksmith / Artist Convention, I met Uri Hofi, a well known Israeli blacksmith who has contributed much to the art of shaping hot steel into beautiful, functional and well made artifacts.
However, if severing even those ties would bring peace to the region and save lives, I would support doing so.

The reason that Israel is the most dangerous country in the region is its clandestine "Sampson Option" and its nuclear blackmail of the US:

EXCERPT " However, in 1973's Yom Kippur War Israel was almost overwhelmed by Arab forces. Prime Minister Golda Meir authorized a nuclear alert, ordering 13 atomic bombs be prepared for missiles and aircraft. Israeli Ambassador to the U.S. Simha Dinitz threatened “very serious conclusions" if there was not an immediate airlift of supplies.[9] This forced U.S. President Richard Nixon to make emergency airlifts of state of the art military supplies to Israel.[10][11]

Not surprisingly, no nation state has attempted to attack Israel since 1973. A former Israeli official justified Israel’s threats. “You Americans screwed us” in not supporting Israel in its 1956 war with Egypt. “We can still remember the smell of Auschwitz and Treblinka. Next time we’ll take all of you with us.”[14] General Moshe Dayan, a leading promoter of Israel’s nuclear program[15], has been quoted as saying “Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.”[16] Amos Rubin, an economic adviser to former Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir, said "If left to its own Israel will have no choice but to fall back on a riskier defense which will endanger itself and the world at large... To enable Israel to abstain from dependence on nuclear arms calls for $2 to 3 billion per year in U.S. aid." CONTINUED. (1)

According to the Symington - Glenn Amendment which prohibits US aid to any nuclear armed country that refuses to sign the NPT. Israel is the only country with nuclear power that refuses to sign the NPT yet still manages to extort well over $2 - $3 Billion each year because of the Zionist lobbies, "Dual" citizens in Congress and America's traitorous infestation of "Israel Firsters".

You mentioned that the Israeli lobbies are one reason that we are bankrolling a rogue, genocidal foreign government but I don't think many Americans realize that advanced, German made nuclear armed Israeli submarines off the US coast is another.


I agree that as long as Israel becomes more bellicose and right wing, the prospects for that country do not look good.
I'm afraid that the region will remain in conflict as long as the US continues to enable the criminal expansionism and genocide conducted by violent and grasping Zionists.
Enabling violent and greedy "Settler" extremists is doing decent, peaceful and rational Israelis a tremendous disservice.

Many thanks and keep up the good work...

Most of all: “Illegitimi non carborundum”





(1). "ISRAELI NUCLEAR THREATS AND BLACKMAIL"
"The Samson Option Still Threatens the World"
https://archive.ph/ZSRa6#selection-889.0-889.808

 

That does not change a thing. You are calling all military liars because of a few. That is not acceptable in any society.

 

"I know what America is. I know how they are. America is a thing you can easily maneuver, move it in the right direction. And even if they sy something, so what? 80% of Americans support us. It's Absurd." ~ Benjamin Netanyahu (see video)




Ariel Sharon 2001 quote:

“Every time we do something you tell me Americans will do this and will do that. I want to tell you something very clear, don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.”
https://web.archive.org/web/20140114064211/http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/01/11/burying-sharon

 

Yup. I've heard from war analysts that Netanyahu might decide to use tactical nukes if he gets desperate & backed into a corner.

 

Soooo…over 2 weeks later and Israel is still here…when can we expect the collapse again?

 

I'd think two weeks would be rather too sudden a time frame for any nation to collapse. Don't forget, Israel still has nukes, and Netanyahu is the type of person who would use them - which makes this a dangerous situation.

 

No, I have repeatedly stated and you have repeatedly ignored that it is the leadership, NOT THE RANK AND FILE, that is the problem. The leadership essentially wrote the Pentagon Papers, not the rank and file. The leadership lied and deceived about Anthrax vaccines, and the rank and file suffered for it. It has been the institutional leadership that brought the clot shots by way of Operation Warp Speed, NOT the rank and file. Corrupt leadership in Milley and many others caused harm to the rank and file with the clot shots and so much more.

Do you not understand how humans work in such institutions? You say you've spent 20+ years in that institution. Maybe you're just kidding yourself?