Discussion in 'Latest US & World News' started by notme, Nov 2, 2023.
My source proves my point which is why I referenced it.
The majority of the 193 UN member states — 139 — recognize the Palestinian territories as a state
AFM is correct, Palestine is not a state. It could be a state some day but right now it's just a hideout for a vicious street gang with a flag.
And that vote is meaningless. The UN could vote that fire engines are blue or that horses have five legs.
States are recognized either de facto or de jure. Palestine has de jure recognition meaning it has legally rightful entitlement to be recognized as a state by members of the international community. However, since Palestine is unable to exercise sovereign rights over its territory due to the Israeli occupation, it is not a de facto independent state as such.
So what. Palestine accrues no benefit from the vote of the UN General Assembly. And the lands which Palestinians claim belongs to them is part of Israel. The vote of the UN General Assembly is meaningless.
The UN could vote that they recognize the Seminole Indian Tribe is a state. That has no meaning.
But every nation approves of the encirclement of Israel by at least 4 distinct militias whose origins, ideological inspiration, rise to power, funding, and arming are provided almost exclusively by one nation? The UN may as well approve of the deployment of Wagner to Israel's northern border in order to further menace them while they attempt to deal with a major terrorist situation.
And don't think that's so far-fetched. I would say that if the loudest voices in America continue to hijack the narrative, and try to make it about racism, it is likely. There are other forces at work moving this ball forward. Forces with agendas that should unite Americans...
Except just like during the BLM protests, not all of this is free speech. The courts have ruled over a dozen categories of speech that isn't speech, like insider trading, espionage, incitement to violence, and inducing panic. I have seen countless videos of mobs surrounding random drivers. That is 100% inducing panic. I can place just about anyone I know behind the wheel in these videos, and they would be in a state of panic. Yet authorities continue to allow this behavior to go unchecked...
Colonial powers have colonies. They have military and businesspeople conducting business by force in their colonies. Jews cannot be colonizing the ME because the Jews aren't allowed to be in or at least flourish in any meaningful way in any ME country except Israel.
Palestine isn't a colony. They live in squalor for a specific reason: the blockade. The blockade is for a specific reason: foreign powers are funneling in rockets and Kalashnikovas into that city, in significant numbers.
I can attempt to project myself into the shoes of anyone in any situation. I can do it with a Gazan citizen on Oct 7. I imagine the attack occurring in my local major city about the size of Gaza. Anyone can do the same, and imagine your local city of about 1-3 M people. Now, imagine on Oct 7 that over 1,000 armed men streamed in from a few of the suburbs about 5 miles to the north of your city. But remember to apply Gazan geography, so imagine that all of these 1000 men returned to the city through one main highway. They rolled in on motorbikes and golf carts with eldery women as prisoners. They were carrying infants and AK47's. They were leading over 250 bloodied hostages down the street around 9am. In a major city.
Am I supposed to believe, as an ordinary Gazan witnessing the events of that morning, that I don't have any idea, or know someone of the 100's of thousands people who must have an idea, of where this huge group of men took all these people in broad daylight? Can I not expect at least 1 phone tip about at least one of the babies, "Yo I saw a guy with a gun and infant run in here!" Why not? I'm trying to get at the solution for Israel I see developing in a large chunk of my society, because it appears to be:Israel is bad, so they should just take it until next time, and then take it again. And I think that's a simplistic mindset that a child psychopath would have,
Wtf are you on about lmao.
Make it make sense!
How can you begin to compare Gaza to the Civil War? Do you realize Southerners wore uniforms and even guerillas who didn't bore the disdain of Confederate officers? Men who fought out of uniform were often shot. Both North and South had an acute sense of honor in most circumstances. You do realize this Gaza War began due to an indiscriminate case of genocide don't you? I believe Leaders of both the Union or the Confederacy would be repulsed by military hiding in tunnels under Hospitals.The Palestinian citizens who put Hamas in power would have felt the wrath of even Lincoln I believe!
Is this your excuse for the IDF killing hundreds of civilians on 7/10, hamas dressed in man utd t-shirts?
Smh, utterly pitiful excuse for reckless abandonment from Israeli "army"
They certainly would have felt the wrath of Generals Grant and Sherman. Win the war, pick up the pieces after.
It's sad when there are those of you that just don't understand.....Israel and the West is not going to put up with terrorist bullcrap no matter how much it hurts "feelings"!
You don't appear to show any empathy towards palestinians and their dead women and children?
Casualties of a war brought on by acts of pure evil, supported by a citizenry. It is an unfortunate bi-product of a job that has to be done. Otherwise it will repeat itself as promised by Hamas. Didn't see much empathy from you when, without warning, Israeli babies were cooked alive in ovens, heads chopped off, women raped, and naked bodies paraded gleefully through town as a lesson to Palestinian children as to that could and should be done to Jews! The behavior is taught to the citizenry for generations!
Nobody believe that rubbish.of ,400 decapitated babies cooked in the microwave.
I'm not comparing the morality or tactics. I'm saying that the end objective with Hamas must be similar in that unless the organization that declared war on Israel is completely disarmed, there isn't going to be a chance for peace. The same was true for the Confederates, Imperial Japanese, or the Nazis. Total disarmament is not always a prerequisite for peace, such as in Ukraine right now. My point was, this war is different.
Make your war crimes narrative make sense. Stalingrad, Dresden, Hiroshima, Grozny, Aleppo, Mosul, Raqqa, Mariupol, Gaza. They all share a common look to me. I have not been convinced that Gaza is distinct because the Israelis are racist.
Here is a general nugget of wisdom for all peoples of the world: if you look out your apartment window one morning and you see a thousand armed men parading 250 hostages of foreign countries through the streets, it's time to get the hell out of the area. If you hear a multiple launcher rocket system being fired from your condominium, you don't just go to bed that night in the same building. You don't just chill in the courtyards playing chess or soccer like nothing major is about to happen.
What are you talking about?
Since when did Hamas ever care about the UNSC or the UNGA or international law? Never.
You prefer Communism? Fascism?
Do you feel any empathy for the Israeli Jews and their dead women and children?
I thought not.
Was that question at you?
Now i am asking you a question. It's a free country and a free forum.
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