It's clear now: Trump is not going to do anything about the Pandemic.

What does that say about our democracies if the solution is always for elected officials to defer to technocrats?

 

I meant with regard to actions that would have a significant effect on the virus.

 

stop playing it down, show support for masks, tell the public the truth

 

Again, I meant with regard to actions that have a significant effect on the virus.

Dotardation make 200,000 deaths does not.

 

What????

Are you saying politicians should be the ones looking for a vaccine, doing the research for a treatment, and investigating what the best way to survive a pandemic would be?

My God!

Please don't run for President! We already had one who thought like that. Didn't turn out too good, I'm afraid....

 

right, I think masks is the biggie, social distancing and telling the truth, he has to get people to trust him in order to take the vaccine soon

 

What the hell do you expect him to do about it? Wave a magic wand and make it go away?

It really is that simple.

He never played down the virus. I saw him on TV every single day for weeks talking about it and giving info.

Refusing to act hysterical isn't lying. If he had gone on national TV jumping up and
down, waving his hands, and crying liberals would have said it "isn't very presidential" right?

He did shut down the economy for a while, but the last liberal talking point I've heard is he didn't shut it down for long enough (like until after the election, wink wink). And exactly how did Trump make masks political? He's worn one when he is in close proximity with people and cannot social distance the 6 feet that is recommended and I have never heard him criticize anyone who wants to wear their mask continually, as it's a free country. If it's considered political, we've made it political, haven't we?

 

better than Trump that wants to take all the credit and no responsibility for anything at the same time, all while making it harder for those trying to push masks and social distancing

 

what do you mean Trump never payed down the virus, he most certainly did... 15 going on zero, pack the churches, dem hoax, just like the flu, the list goes on and on

"He did shut down the economy for a while"

thank you for admitting Trump shut down the economy, many on the right will not do that

 

At this point: resign! Because he has already got us the worst response to the pandemic in the world. Option two is to stay in the hospital until January 21. That way scientists and experts will be able to do the job that he has been hampering by demanding test of voodoo treatments like HQC and disinfectants... but no masks.

 

No, I'm saying that decision making power should not be so remote from the people.

If the elected officials ought to have such little decision making power why not skip that obsolete step and just have technocrats appointed by experts in their fields make final decisions on everything?

 

I am speculating that Donald Trump is performing human sacrifices to save the USA.

Donald Trump is sacrificing himself, family and close asscoiates.

 

So there's no concrete action on behalf of government that is missing, it's entirely down to Trump's state of mind?

 

I agree, he is a brash, child-like individual.

So masks then - not mandating a nationwide mask mandate under penalty of law. That would be a concrete example?

I assume people's behaviour on masks is affected more by threat of fines and imprisonment than it is by the ramblings of some politician they've never met.

 

So...you are saying you believe that if the president resigned, the virus would go away? That seems delusional to me.

 

I think him not trying to turn wearing masks into a sign of being anti-trump would have been enough

 

yep, playing down the virus early on was wrong

Trump did the same thing to Americans that China did to their people... lied to them

 

Nonsense!

Politicians make policy decision. They don't "decide" what is real and what is not. They don't "decide" which vaccine works, or which treatment is the right one,... They can decide to fund research or not fund research (which would be unfathomable in the middle of a national crisis). But they can't and should never make or even attempt to influence technical decisions. And Trump has done exactly that. And this is why we have the worst response, and the largest number of infected and dead in the world. And this is why we are the only industrialized nation in the world that still doesn't have the pandemic under control.

You are very confused.

In an emergency, technicians reign supreme. If you are in a burning building, firemen are the authority. If you are in a malfunctioning airplane, the pilot is the monarch. I don't care if you're President of the United States. You need to step aside on anything that relates to solving the crisis and saving lives. I'm not saying that Dr. Fauci should be declared King. There is still a civil government to run. But I am saying that, in regards to the technical management of this pandemic, undermining or interfering with Dr. Fauci's work, with the CDC or with research is nothing short of criminal. And Trump has done this.

This administration won't even take this pandemic as a crisis.

 

If the President resigned many lives would be saved. Of course there's Pence. So I'm not sure how many. But I don't think even Pence could mishandle this worse than Trump.

That's because it is delusional. But you're the one who said it, not me.

 

I may have missed this, it may be somewhere here and I have missed it. The BBC reported last night that Trump had offered to make the antibody treatment he had available to every American who develops the virus, free.

Here the Metro reports on what he said

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/07/dona...-free-for-all-americans-13388667/?ito=cbshare

Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MetroUK/

This of course is going through tests to find out if it is any good. It apparently works by giving the person a bunch of someone else's antibodys which last 4-6 weeks and helps the person to fight off the virus. The point is, it is not impossible that this is what has helped Trump and from what I was hearing yesterday there is a good chance that one of these antibody things will do the job. This could be the one.

Everything about Trump's covid seems weird. He apparently just became infectious and then is in the second week though most people here seem to accept he was from the time we heard in the second week. He is moved to hospital which given the White House has its own medical centre where he can get 24 hour care suggests they believed he was far from well. He was given the antibodies before he went to hospital. Once in hospital he is given both anti viral and Steriods. Antiviral are usually given at the beginning but he probably demanded them and these ones do not do very much anyway - just possibly lesson the virus by a couple of days. The Steriods though - it is unlikley he would have been given them if he had not seemed quite ill. They are only given if on Oxygen or worse. So as I see it, either he was not as ill as appeared to be the situation, or something gave him a boost which other people do not appear to have had. That boost could be the antibodies which he says he is going to arrange for every American to have free so that they get the same treatment as he did (his words). His Doctors are now saying he does not have any virus load which again is extremely strange but could possibly again come from the antibody infusion having worked.

So, he is now offering something, though given his record people are just laughing at him. If tests show this works with others as it may have worked with Trump, all American's can have it free. It would be the game changer for Covid.

 

Remember when Covid testing was supposed to be free too?

Uhm... yeah... There you go...

 

I think he has probably heard a little of what people are saying - in particular that other people do not get the kind of treatment he did because he did say something on the lines 'so that everyone can have the same treatment as me'. It did occur to me he might think it would help him in the election. Of course other people are waiting for the results of the proper trials but it does look promising. Hopefully if it does turn out to be a game changer it will be made available to the whole world at an affordable price and whoever becomes President gives it free to all US people - probably be in their interest.

 

The Plandemic will run its course. It was planned before Trump was in office, but after he was elected it was decided to use it as a tool to take him down. Likely that will be accomplished. He had an opportunity to seize the moral high ground, but he blew it.

 

I think it would be in Trump's interest before the elections. After that... he might announce (like he has done so many times) that it's "free"... but his interest will be focused on how to stay out of prison.

I'm sure that, if Biden wins, it will likely be free. But not because that will be of any interest to Trump.

 

What do you believe he should have done?