It's in Donald Trump's best interests to plea guilty.

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  1. AmericanNationalist

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    If I were Trump's lawyer, I would advise him to plea guilty and to negotiate with Jack Smith on the best possible terms the prosecution could recommend. In a trial, a jury of 'his peers' will no doubt look to impose the harshest possible sentence, which can be up to a century. Nevermind if the judge is the one that determines the sentencing.

    If he plea's guilty, he can perhaps enjoy the rest of his remaining life in a retirement home,free to 'truth social' away into the sunset, whereas on the contrary he would have his body rotting in a prison cell.(Actually, I just googled and confirmed they will at least bury you) but still,I'd rather die a free man than an imprisoned one if it were me.
     
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    They moved the trial from DC to Miami. Isn't there a better chance of getting a Trump favorable jury down there?
     
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    I doubt he is going to give up his life long built legacy without a fight just so he can just veg at home the last year's of his life.
     
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    Perhaps, even I have to admit the circumstantial evidence is powerful and a portion of it provided by Trump's own mouth. So one very basic thing to advise him to do and this might be why his lawyers quit, is to not testify in his own defense.

    I'd simply have my lawyer be my spokesperson.
     
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    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    In America, folks here are innocent until proven guilty....
     
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    Interesting.........


    That doesn't apply to people arrested on mistaken identity. They get to sit in jail weeks at a time until someone in the department with at least a kindergarten education finds that they have the wrong person, and then of course law enforcement plays the victim and the taxpayers get to foot the bill.
     
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    When has Trump ever listened to his lawyers? He's an idiot and he loves to prove it by his actions.
     
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    Interesting...
    In America, folks here are innocent until proven guilty....
     
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    Very bad advise sir,
    No no no. All that defense counsel has to convince is one juror that there is reasonable doubt that a crime has been committed. You don't think imagine that there isn't as good a shot that there will be one trump supporter among them? If that fails, there will be a decent chance that the jury will pick a few lesser charges to convict him of and the sentencing judge will decide that this is a first time 76 yr old offender, and this is not a violent crime and decide that the jail time is should be minimal. If that wall fails, there will be at least ten or twenty possible grounds for appeal in the course of this trial. I 'd guess a couple will be good ones. Trump's lawyers will raise objection after objection and because no judge is perfect or free of all bias, and no appelate court that is perfect and free of its own bias he going to have a good shot at an appeal or two. I don't think Trump is going into a jail cell.
     
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    Or in the case of the daily scenario I laid out, guilty until proven innocent.
     
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    Then you agree that the biden's are innocent.
     
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    Trump lives in a bubble. He doesn't think there is any chance he's going to be convicted - even though he potentially ADMITTED to multiple crimes on
    tape. There's no way he walks on obstruction charges.
     
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    Even "Biden Family Crime Boss," Joe?
    You'd never guess he was innocent, from your posts.
     
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    You seem to be trying to offer for Trump's grasping, straws which do not exist. Jack Smith would not have brought this case, unless he was extremely confident in his ability to get a conviction. That he has no qualms with having a Florida jury, and potentially the same judge who had been bending over to favor Trump, in a previous hearing over these documents, speaks all the more forcefully, to that reality. IOW, there is very little incentive for him, to offer a plea deal. Any deal that he was willing to accept, would surely include time in prison. This prosecutor takes Trump's crimes very seriously-- there would be no slap on the wrist deal, available to Trump who, at his age, could be looking at the rest of his life, in prison. This means that there is also no plea deal, that Trump would be willing to take.


    <Snip>
    Key allegations against Trump

    • That he retained documents detailing U.S. vulnerabilities to attack and the military capabilities of the U.S. and other countries;

    • That he stored them in boxes that weren’t behind locked doors, including on the stage of a ballroom and in a bathroom;

    • That twice in 2021, he showed a classified document to individuals without security clearances;

    • That he questioned whether he needed to comply with an FBI subpoena, asking his lawyer: “Wouldn’t it be better if we just told them we don’t have anything here?”

    • That at his order, only some of the boxes of documents were made available when his lawyer searched for classified records to comply with the subpoena.

    The indictment includes several photos of the boxes in different locations around Mar-a-Lago, including on a ballroom stage, where they stayed for two months while the ballroom continued to be used for events, and a bathroom and shower. One of the photos shows a stack of boxes that had fallen over in a storage room. Visible in the photo are documents marked with a designation that the information can only be released to the closest allies of the U.S.: Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the United Kingdom...

    In a brief televised statement, Smith urged the public to read the indictment in order to understand
    “the gravity of the crimes charged.” He also said he was aiming for a speedy trial.
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    https://www.latimes.com/politics/st...nt Trump was indicted,time in the White House.
     
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    @popscott dies seem to have partisan standards of evidence.
     
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    It may well be in the best interest of the man but it wouldn't be in the best interest of the ego and that has been running the show for years.
     
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    If Donald Trump were a normal man, that's what he'd do.

    But you and I both know that's not the case.

    Have you ever seen Trump admit the slightest wrong?

    Apologize?

    Not use any means necessary to slow down justice?

    Trump will never plead guilty.

    He's locked in his parallel reality where he's the biggest victim in the history of mankind and if a single one of his lawyers recommends that he plead guilty, Trump will fire him on the spot.
     
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    At this point, all seriousness aside (as Steve Allan used to say), if tRaitor tRump had a brain in his head (which he’s proved he doesn’t) he’d gas up his jet and leave the country. I’m sure Putin or Erdugon or “Little Rocket Man would take him. He (and his followers) hate (and want to destroy) every thing that has defined These United States since its founding. So, considering his current and potential legal jeopardy, isn’t it time to cut bait and RUN!!! No skin off his nose, he can’t stand the place anyway.
     
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    He should probably take a deal to plea to a single count with a stipulation of no jail time, and just retire from politics.

    Unless the prosecutor also indicts Joe Biden, this is a purely politically inspired prosecution in my view. And while it's legal, it therefore lacks legitimacy. There is a difference.

    18 U.S. Code § 1924 - Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material

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    Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.
     
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    No need to plea. Trump has a real good chance with a jury of his cult followers in Florida.
     
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    I think Trump will not do this given his persona and his self-victimization matrix. That being said, what you say is for any person being charged with a serious offense and the evidence appears "overwhelming." But many go to trial and when the jury finds them guilty, will still think they are innocent, being railroaded, etc.

    With Judge Cannon, for the time being, in charge of the trial in Miami, it will be interesting to see how long she reamains and how much Trump will try to delay this trial as much as possible. I don't think we will see a jury trial this year and it may be summer of next year before this trial comes to bear.
     
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    Show me the DOJ investigation into the Biden crime family shady deals....
     
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    or simply.... he is innocent until proven guilty...
     
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    Don't know, don't care.... In America, Trump is innocent until proven guilty. You can wander off into the weeds if you want to, I ain't following...
     
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    all they need is one elderly Cuban …
     

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