It's time for Pence to do the 25th Amendment

This transcends ignorance and soars into amnesia. YOU brought up Reagan as if he were guilty of something, then typically slithered away rather than defend the claim. But Nixon? He was forced to resign in disgrace. Your stunning lack of appreciation for that political milestone cannot be overstated. You know nothing.

Try that in English. They couldn't make a case and Mueller admitted it.

 

Are you aware there is more than this one dead horse you've been flogging? Read outside your comfort zone. Conservatives do it every single day thanks to the lamestream media.

 

On more than one occasion, with forum members comparable to your self, I prepared a detailed response, one that actually took a couple of hours of labor,
and the rebuttal was one or two snarky words.

No, I'm not talking the bait because there is a strong likelihood, given the caliber of your comments thus far, your request is insincere comparable to others I have wasted my time on in the recent past.

In my view, if you were able to see the number of times Trump blatantly, in front of the Cameras, acted in a manner that threated national security, you wouldn't have asked the question, or you'd at least have a partial answer, and since that was not a component of your question, there is no way in hell I would even bother responding to your request, as it is, indeed, an insincere one-you simply are not interested in acknowledging Trump's transgressions. Therefore, I can, with conviction, conclude, in advance, that any examples of his acts which constitute threats to America's national security I could provide for your request, you would kneejerk some kind of denial, so there is no point. .

I will restrict any responses to your comments which do not require more than, say, 5 seconds, or so, to answer. Since that question requires more effort than 5 seconds, or so, all I can say is, no way, josé, as they say. So, direct that question to some other sucker.

 

I assume you are talking about me, so please provide evidence where I said, or wrote, "democrats and do no wrong and republicans are the roof of all evil'

That is a sincere request, I am very interested in your reply. I'll be waiting.

But, see, I know in advance you won't be able to, because your comment reflects a mindset of the type that sees things simplistically, the type of which is incapable of discernment and nuance; everything is black and white, and thus your arguments rarely rise above that of the proverbial strawman. For example, you asked me 'how old are you', see? From what simplistic well did that question spring? You can't hide who you are, because there are people in your midst, people such as myself, who have eyes to see.

But, in the remote chance I am wrong, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and you can try.

You also must realize, rarely does anyone provide the perfect articulation for a point. Sometimes, a point needs further clarification. Where those who do not ask for it when a point begs for it, such persons are not really sincere, they are only interested in countering an argument than they are trying to find a truth, or perhaps a meeting of the mind. I'm no exception, I, in no way, purport to write with perfect prose, all the time.

However, you have made an allegation, and I think it is reasonable to expect for you to provide evidence of that allegation.

 

Leftists will tolerate no dissent! (a.k.a., Idiots will offer no proof!)

You ignored his blather and must be denied a second performance! He's forgetting how to SAVE/COPY/PASTE and snivels it's our fault for laughing at his fixation? Comedy gold.

 

The more you read how this all works, the more you realize that unless the President is comatose and in a vegetative state, or he complies willingly its practically impossible to make this thing work. You will never get the Congress to vote by 2/3rds in both houses to sustain this provision without both an active diagnosis and medical opinions provided by a series of doctors or psychiatrist who have actually seen this patient, and testify that he is so compromised.

The President will refuse to be seen, refuse tests and refuse to allow his diagnosis or symptoms to be shared. Even I could not vote to remove him without any of that. Its easier to impeach.

 

you know damn well there is a huge reluctance to indict a sitting president, But, given the number of indictments and Convictions under Republican administrations, what does that tell us? There is an old saying, a fish rots from the head down. we are not in the court of law here, but for the court of public opinion, the following documented statistics are plenty for us to formulate an opinion of the man at the top: 16 convictions in the Nixon Administration, 55 convictions in the Reagan administration, and I believe there have been a total of 24 convictions in the Trump WH. And,since you apparently have a problem with English, here is a visual

For conspiracy, true, but for obstruction, false, OLC rules followed for not charging, so the best Mueller could do was 'Not exonerated". which is precisely what Mueller said for 'obstruction of justice'.

 

Don't get cocky! make sure you vote. Half of the country (including OP it seems) has been brainwashed to believe Trump is the devil. This is how they get their votes, not on GOOD POLICIES of course. Its also why these Trump haters (like OP who makes a Trump hate thread 10x a day) barely make threads about actual POLICY (you know, the root word of politics)

 

He shoots. He scores. Victory lap!

 

duplicate post

 

Not by much, but a reasonable overview of the uphill battle should Dems try it.

 

The criticism of Trump doesn't really equal hatred, not in the sense of pure hatred without just cause, it's not done in a vacuum.

Trump, via his incompetence, stupidity, abuses of power, conduct unbecoming, buffoonery on the world stage, is diminishing America on many levels, and defecating on the office of the President., and more than that, he poses a threat to the heath of the nation and our national security. America deserves better, and I think a majority of the electorate agrees. See the video in #75

 

It is mono-mania plain and simple. Fixation. Obsessional. The very unsupportability of your incessant repeated hate. Your lack of age and perspective cannot be helped, but its shortcoming are easy to fix. Listen outside your bubble. Learn to reason. Get positive. And then when you truly can't stand being positive, y'all get back to us about not using a meme.

 

If the house were on fire, would you accuse someone of 'mono-mania' ( whatever that is ) for wanting urgent action to put out the fire?

See, what you are unable to do is see what is the real issue, that is, to many democrats, Trump's presidency is a serious dumpster fire which is about to light up the building.

There would be no act more positive that removing Trump.

Trump sucks up all the oxygen, so naturally, the focus will be on him.

There is no act at this juncture in American history more positive than removing Trump from office.

Trump believes climate change is a hoax, and reversing the climate issue is the most important issue of our time, therefore, there can be no act more positive than removing Trump from office.

Trump poses an existential threat to the health and national security of America, and the the world.

He must be removed, and to that end I focus my time. In fact, your comment is negative, for it is ignorant of the aforementioned reality.

 

Real leaders do that, unlike Biden, whom the focus isn't.

I'd prefer to prosecute the Seattle and Minnesota vandals. Very positive.

He will personally come and murder us each and every one in our pitiful little cribs, singing "Deutchsland Uber Alles" in its original Brooklynese. Bet the farm on it, Pilgrim. He's got Biden beat going in.

 

"Sucking up the oxygen' is not a complement, it belies a man doing stupid things to get attention.

Trivializing/mocking your opponent's comment is not a valid counter argument. Not that you care, but if you continue to make such remarks, off to the kill file you will go.

 

In your opinion

 

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You mean Trump? What kind of argument is that? Who the **** gets to meet the president before he can be criticized on the internet? WTF?

You'll have to elaborate on 'regain proportion' not sure what you are referring to, but on 'change topics', ....

Each thread has a topic. The only way to change topic is to either, 1, start a new thread, or 2. jump to another thread that is on the subject you want to talk about. At times, a subtopic is okay, but should be up to the OP (if the comm is directed at him/her). You can subtopic with someone else, but if it's a thread that I started and the comm is directed at me, I'm here to debate the OP. If I jump in on someone else's subtopic, that's different.

Here's the problem with rhetoric, and this includes the thought-terminating cliché: you can't properly frame an argument, for or against it. Rhetoric is a fools trick to attempt to trump an argument ( no pun intended ) and be clever. . Rhetoric is wasting people's time, it's not an argument, it's doesn't improve an argument, and what it does is diminish the person that does it. I may be putting more discipline in a debate than you are used to, but that's how I roll.

I don't appreciate counter arguments that are not really counter arguments, I label those as 'incompetent' it's tough love, baby. There is no obligation to be nice, on a debate forum, just not rude, and there is a difference, and that I accept. I understand that emotions rise, and times we all give to insults, which I don't really like, but when I get incredibly stupid answers, it's tough for me, sometimes, not to call a spade a spade, because often a rebuttal is unfair, unwarranted, unjust, or just plain wrong, or is just a vacuous unsubstantiated allegation, or weasel words, loaded phrases, ad hominems ( towards members, but politicians and public figures are fair game ) If I get zapped by the moderator, that's okay, I deserve it. As for the president, he's fair game, given his deeds and words, and there is no negotiating on the point.

In the mean time,. let's debate the premise of the OP on it's merits. I have no other agenda but that, and that is the only legitimate agenda, in my view, to have on a debate forum, because anything else, in my view, is rhetoric and/or is a waste of time. The fact that is 'common' is only common to those who don't mind wasting time, well, cutting in line is common, too, but that doesn't mean it should be done, this is not a chat room. Yeah, I'm new here and different forums have different attitudes for various things, but, I've been on many forums, and that's usually how I roll. Does that mean I can't let my hair down from time to time, no it, doesn't, but whining about my asking to stay on topic, my answer to that is: start a new thread, if you want, no one is stopping you. I don't ask or complain to anyone who starts a thread and asks me to stay on topic, that's courtesy to the person who started the thread, unless the thread starter doesn't mind. I usually do mind, if the comment is directed towards me.

I'm going to tell you why I don't like to stray on a point, because the tendency is to meander, and that's just wasting time.

as for the 'relentless' point:

I don't think you grasp the gravity of the situation, we have a raving moron as president who poses a threat to the health and national security of the nation.

If there is fire in house, there is only one horn blow, the bull horn.

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You have no idea how easy it is to go off point, in fact, its' quite common for people to stray, staying on point does require debate discipline. When it's there, its' a beautiful thing, but it is rare to find a debater who is skilled in debate, that's when it gets fun.

Don't conflate heat in a kitchen 'negative' . Unpleasant remarks could be constructive, and, as such, very positive because the goal is a positive change.

I'm here to Stick to the argument at hand.

I'd just as soon avoid:

1. Weasel words ( generalities and words that weasel the arugment )
2. loaded phrases
3. non rebuttals and incompetent arguments ( these vary )
4. Straying, going off point ( ask permission is okay)
5. ad hominems ( to members, politicians and famous people fair game )
6. Vacuous declarations ( no links, sources, evidence, or at the minimum, some kind of path of reasoning )
7 etc

 

Pence is moree of a beta bitch than baby Trump. I don't think his wife gave him permission....

 

It's time for Pence to do the 25th Amendment

Not the American way. The American way involves campaigning, competing and electing.

 

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You did not answer

How many - is it only one or two or has there been a plethora of people including the author of “Fire and Fury”

Let’s see

Mattis
Kelly
Omarosa
Bannon
Tillerson
McMaster
Cohn
Preibus


https://qz.com/1267508/all-the-people-close-to-donald-trump-who-called-him-an-idiot/

To name just a few

Because most have had distinguished careers in business and the military in which they interacted with leaders in their field

Trump has Never worked with anyone, has a reputation and history of Lying

Trump has no credibility

 

The 25th won't happen because of the degree of polarization in congress. Add to that no one have ever invoked the 25th and the rules regarding it are quite vague.

However, in the unlikely scenario that Trump might be re-elected in November, there is still the probability that the GOP senate might lose majority in the upcoming election, so that maybe a scenario where the 25th could be executed, but most likely they would once again proceed with impeachment again since the Dems would hold the Senate majority.

Any which way you cut it, regardless of who wins in November, we are about to tear apart at the seams, because if Trump loses, his minions will still carry on their cultist tirades.

 

Yeah. cut straight past common ground to common mayhem. Tear apart at whose seams? That Disney straw man about vengeful Trump supporters? "Cultist tirades" being leftist code for can't-wait-for-civil-war.

You'll lose. Ink it in on the calendar.

"Minions!" Count the cattle marching for Burn, Loot and Murder.

I know! All those veterans with weapons training. They get together and form brigades, learning all SORTS of neat ways to say bye with sealed-off trouble zones, kill-boxes and some serious housecleaning.

That's called the National Guard. They're a whole lot better-armed these days than Kent State, but the killers of Black Lives Matters beat that death toll and went on. So any time the minions want to see how things really play out, then just play around.

 

So that's it huh, all a person heeds is to have had a good job and you will believe whatever they say. Wanna buy a bridge?

 

I saw him first! Mackinac! Think Mackinac!