It's time we asked WHY other countries are so poor

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  1. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    It was an observation I made while looking at the map.
    Where religions rule the region, is where the IQs scored the lowest. And vice versa.
    Some of what are called the most social countries, score the highest. As a general observation.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yet all the countries with the current highest IQ's are the one's that had advanced the world, for at least the timeframe you're trying to come up with some goofy reason for.

    When you know that IQ's heritability, according to recent studies, is as high as 80-86%, your theory falls by the wayside.
     
  3. dairyair

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    Unless there's data to show IQs go up over time of humans in general.
    Which I did.

    Flynn and many other researchers suspect that rising IQ scores reflect improving modern environments. IQ is part heritable and part environmental; enrich a young child's environment with opportunities to learn, and they'll have a higher IQ later in life. Better nutrition, more schooling and more stimulation could also explain the Flynn effect.

    So could the kind of thinking that people do today. If you asked some
    https://www.livescience.com/37095-humans-smarter-or-dumber.html
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    THAT is 100% true.
     
  5. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    What?
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah the IQ of a country didn't go up 40 points in the last couple hundred years. Thanks.
     
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    Where you getiing that high of heritability?
     
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    IQ and religion are not even in the same realm.

    Religion cannot be "measured" and therefore is not comparable to IQ ...
     
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    Not exactly finding what you claim. Can you point it out?

    Heritability increases dramatically from infancy through adulthood despite genetic stability
    It would be reasonable to assume that as we go through life, experiences—Shakespeare's ‘whips and scorns of time'—have a cumulative effect on intelligence, perhaps overwhelming early genetic predispositions. However, for intelligence, heritability increases linearly, from (approximately) 20% in infancy to 40% in adolescence, and to 60% in adulthood. Some evidence suggests that heritability might increase to as much as 80% in later adulthood47 but then decline to about 60% after age 80.48

    I found this.
     
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    Just used the map.
    The lower IQ sections of the map, were in the ME, where most countries rule by religion.
     
  12. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, I know that the more secular-minded politicians and intellectuals in Pakistan and Turkey have expressed concern that the more religious segment of their populations are outbreeding them, and so while they've made some gains, those gains will be for naught.
    Same situation in Egypt.
     
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    All three of them ... ? ;^)
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ok, mostly Turkey.
    Pakistan and Egypt were a little more speculative, but based on a very well educated guess.
     
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    We, the people (in the US) watch the most TV of any nation on earth.

    It take one helluva-lotta-muney to get elected, which is why "moneyed-interests" have a very heavy say in who gets elected.

    From here: How Our Campaign Finance System Compares to Other Countries - excerpt:
    Read the article, it's interesting - it's time we put limits on funding and Americans take a "real-interest" in political governance - rather than believing the BS they swallow from TV-commercials ...
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump got elected, and most of those TV stations were saying he was bad.
    Also the Hillary campaign outspent him.
    This seems like a proposed solution to a problem that apparently doesn't really seem to exist.
    Especially suspicious since all the ones advocating for this were the ones who, ostensibly, would have been hurt by it more.
     
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    A lot of these poor countries are buried by IMF loan debt, and maybe lots of corruption in the government. Stealing aid money, and such, to enrich themselves and their friends.
     
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    Consider how many nations are dictatorships or autocracies, and how long it might take for these to transition to republics/democracies...maybe 50 years in a perfect world? And once transitioned to democracy, then how many more years for those in the bottom rungs of society to move out of poverty...maybe another 50 years? In the US we've been working on this for 250 years and we have a long way to go. So this question why some nations are so poor is obvious and will stay this way for another 100+ years. This is without factoring in stuff like impacts of global climate change, or world wars, or global disease, or population growth, etc. all of which will exacerbate anyone's path out of poverty! Lastly consider that perhaps half of the world's population of 7 billion lives in poverty...this implies herculean efforts will be required to deal with world poverty...is mankind capable of this?
     
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    IMO, it's not possible with the current/growing number of people in the world. That's why conspiracy theorists think Agenda 21 and such are out to kill the population.
     
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    Very simple: they lack Republican work ethic, Christianity, capitalism,and law and order values.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Somehow I suspect it's more complicated than that.

    Though a society's values and major religion definitely can exacerbate poverty and create an environment where property rights are not respected and it is more difficult for a market economy to function.
     
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    you always operate with suspicions rather than education
     
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    Who gets in is 50% Republicans and 50% Democrats since Americans lack IQ to decide what they are. Moneyed interests are good since to get money you have invent great things like caner cures etc.
     

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