Jamal Khashoggi Is Dead, Saudi Arabia Says (breaking news)

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  1. HumbledPi

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    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/19/...d-saudi-arabia.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

    Jamal Khashoggi Is Dead, Saudi Arabia Says

    • Oct. 19, 2018

    BEIRUT, Lebanon — Saudi Arabia has announced that Jamal Khashoggi, the dissident Saudi journalist who disappeared in Istanbul more than two weeks ago, is dead.

    Eighteen Saudis have been arrested and are being investigated in connection with the case, according to a statement released through state-run media. None were identified.

    In the statement, the kingdom’s public prosecutor said that an investigation had found that an argument broke out between Mr. Khashoggi and men who met him inside the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul on Oct. 2, leading to “a fistfight that led to his death.”

    Turkish officials have said that Mr. Khashoggi was killed and dismembered inside the consulate by a team of 15 Saudi agents who had flown in to meet him. His body has yet to be found.
     
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    I hope Turkey takes the proper response and sends a message to the Saudis. Obviously since this is none of the US's business, we should let the two nations settle their beef.
     
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    I think the prosecutor's description is probably inaccurate, but diplomatically adequate.

    I read they'd "vaporized" the body with acid.
     
  4. HumbledPi

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    This isn't that simple, every free nation is watching this very carefully.

    From the Washington Post;
    Foreign ministers from the G-7 group of industrialized nations say they are very troubled by the disappearance of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi and say those responsible must be held to account.

    The statement from Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, United Kingdom and United States as well as the European Union affirms their commitment to defending freedom of expression and protection of a free press.

    The statement issued Tuesday says they encourage Turkish-Saudi collaboration and look forward to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia conducting a thorough, credible, transparent and prompt investigation.

    Turkish officials have said there is evidence that the U.S.-based Khashoggi was killed and dismembered at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul. Saudi Arabia has called the allegations “baseless.
     
  5. ArmySoldier

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    Yes, we know where he was killed and that he was killed by his own countrymen, you don't need to keep repeating that.

    Not our problem.

    What embassy did this take place in? Who were the killers? What citizenship did the victim hold? What country did this attack take place in?

    If you can answer those questions without another deflection, I'll give you some serious props
     
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    My bet is he was taken out by a high Intelligence operation.
    It was the Saudi equivalent of the good guys Section 31, or the Cardassian Obsidian Order, or the Romulan Tal Shiar . It was a disconnected from the chain of command, virtually autonomous intelligence and assassination service that is responsible. OH, JUST LIKE THE CIA.


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    A high ranking General from KSA was flown out the same day I believe (or the next day?) after this operation took place. Clearly a hit from the government of KSA.
     
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    You just don't have any idea at all what this all means, do you?
     
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    Yes, I do. It means the Saudis killed one of their own citizens in a Turkish embassy.

    And no matter who is President of the United States, we won't do **** about it.

    (Keep in mind, I think we should have cut ALL ties with KSA after 9/11)
     
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    POINT: Under whose command? Or was it an autonomous action?
    Can the dots be connected to high Saudi gov't officials justifiably or not. I favor "not".
     
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    I am not sure if the Saudis would use plausible deniability. I'm not sure they are that smart. I mean, look at how they handled this operation...

    If I had to guess, this came from the top. I doubt we will ever know
     
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    Let's go bit extreme;
    Hypothesis #1:
    "Turks killed Kashoggi with the support of the American establishment"
    Hypothesis #2:
    "Khashoggi is alive and held in a safe house under protection of Turkish and American intelligence officials"

    Shall we start working on them?
     
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    Under the command of MBS. And their excuse that it was a fistfight gone wrong is just as unbelievable as their previous story that he walked out of the consulate alive.

    I guess they then panicked when they chopped him up? Luckily they brought a bone saw....
     
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    What should be done if we find out the top Saudi leaders ordered such a hit?

    In my opinion we should cut all ties.

    But many say they deserve a stern "We condemn your actions!" but keep selling them bombs and planes.
     
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    It was reported that they cut Khashoggi's fingers off while he was alive. No doubt because he was a writer. If he just gave speeches they would have pulled his tongue out and cut it off with shears before they killed him.
     
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    No, too much $. Nothing will be done, money talks.
     
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    Turkey is holding the tape over their heads. Arabs will pay billions to keep it hush-hush. The tape may be magically lost. It is just human nature.
     
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    Cancel the arms deal and sanction MBS and friends. Pressure King to pick someone else.
     
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    People keep whining that Trump isn't "condemning" it. He could call them any name under the sun but NOBODY in Washington would support him cutting ties or giving a real punishment to them.

    It's fake outrage.
     
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    See this is something I would 100% get behind. Personally, I believe this should have happened when it was concluded that the Saudi government had some involvement in 9/11.
     
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