Jesus returns in 2017,,,,

So a family will be blighted for four to five thousand years, not because of what they have done but the sins of their fathers.
So again, your suggestion that you reap what you sow is contradicted by the Ten Commandments! Again you gave false witness!

 

Ezekiel changed the rules. Everyone is now only responsible for himself.

 

A generation is a thousand years? I had no idea people lived that long. Geez, I'm going to have to deal with millennials for a loooong time then.

 

So have perverts, liars, cowards, like Trump. However, science has not the power to prove, nor would any legitimate scientist so claim, that there is no God. We know Jesus existed, we know the prophets existed, we know more then most would like to acknowledge. And so far nothing has been shown to prove that God does not exist. And even science, although it definitely has tried, has come up with any solid proof that God does not exist. Like you, all they have is their "opinion".

BTW, it is not up to the believer to prove God does exist, it is up to the non-believer to prove He doesn't.

 

Wasn't Ezekiel, it was Moses:

Deuteronomy 24: 16


“Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin."

 

A generation in the Bible is usually 40 years. However, in Genesis 15: 16 it is 100 years. Then too, in Psalm 90: 10 it is 70 years, the average of 40, and 100.

 

Right after you prove Santa doesn't exist. Other than a concept.

 

And moses was what, 900 yrs?

 

Noah was 600, and Methusalah was 969. I know that for a fact.

 

I assume this rule was supposedly from God? So, God told man not to kill the parents because of something the children did, which means they had practiced such a thing before Moses changed the rules? So now God says you only kill the person who sins. Yet the idea of animal sacrifice rolled sins forward so God would give you a temporary reprieve from Him killing your arse for sin.

I think what went on is this...God never said any of this stuff. Man said it, and then lied and said God told them, so that God is seen to have said it is ok, for man to do what he wanted to do anyways To kill. We seem to love it so, given our history Taking away the life of another person is high up on the shits and giggles list of pleasures. And no need to feel any guilt, for God said this is what He wanted you to do. So convenient!

The trouble with the Jewish, Christian, and Islamic God is He was created in man's own image. So He tends to exert emotions, anger, jealousness, just like human beings do. Occassionally you would get a prophet who would tell the people that God does not want your animal sacrifices, that he never wanted that, but the people nor the priests paid any mind to it, and the sacrifices continued on. I guess someone was making some mammon with these public events? Selling animals to kill, so God would roll your sin forward for awhile, until the next sacrifice day.

There was always this idea in monotheism, that the mind of man could never comprehend, or perceive God, for the mind was just too small, and no one should ever create images of this God, for all images would be false. For an image of God can be graven, carved, but one can also create an image mentally, which of course Christians have done. Yet of what use is this mental image, if it is necessarily false, given that the brain is not capable of touching that outside of time and the universe?

In the Tao te Ching, Lao Tzu wrote...."the man who says he knows does not know". So, if anyone tries to tell you what God is, that he knows, you got yourself a liar on your hands.

 

Well, you believe it, but you have no means to know it to be a fact. You just trust in a very old book, as being accurate and fact based. Of your own volition do you trust in this book. By your own authority. Then we forget it is our own authority.

 

Oh dear. I wasn't actually being serious......

 

Makes ya wonder about El/Yahveh's omniscience and omnipotence when he comes up with lists of rules and principles that then need to be revised later, doesn't it? Especially when so many of them, older and newer alike, are just so flawed. Christians really should raise a brow at their god once having been racist in favor of certain ME nomads, having them go to war to conquer land like every other butcher barbarian tribe of the time, and sacrifice livestock to him for some kind of atonement.

We don't know Jesus existed, actually, and it's certainly not science's job to disprove any religious claim. It can test any testable claim made, though, and that includes biblical creationist claims...

Also, lulz @ that last line of yours. That's like me telling you it's your burden to prove that the Flying Spaghetti Monster does not exist.

 

It's up to God to prove that he exists. It's up to people to stop believing in God until he proves that he exists.

 

Moses spewed so much BS that people ignored that and Ezekiel had to explain it to them in Ezekiel chapter 18. It took him the whole chapter (32 verses) to drill it into their thick skulls. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel18&version=CEV;MSG;TLB;NKJV;ERV

Ezekiel 18:19-20 (CEV) = 19 You may wonder why a son isn’t punished for the sins of his father. It is because the son does what is right and obeys my laws. 20 Only those who sin will be put to death. Children won’t suffer for the sins of their parents, and parents won’t suffer for the sins of their children. Good people will be rewarded for what they do, and evil people will be punished for what they do.

 

You see, that is the problem with people like you. Once reality is shown to you you then indulge your fantasy in what any adult knows is a myth.

 

It is sad you have such a poor understanding of the Bible. First off, God said that to learn of Him one needed to study the scripture line upon line, precept upon precept. If you knew scripture half as well as you think you do you would then know that it was not the calling of Moses to teach, it was the calling of Moses to give the Law that God had given to him. Others, such as Ezekiel, came later, and explained what was meant by the Law.

Isaiah 28: 9-14

"Whom shall He teach knowledge? and whom shall He make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue will He speak to this people.To whom He said, 'This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing': yet they would not hear.

But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken. Wherefore hear the word of the Lord, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem."

Romans 12: 3-8

"For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you. For just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, so in Christ we, though many, form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with your faith; if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach; if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead, do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully."

 

To one such as you that will never happen, and even if He did you would mock Him just as those who were alive at the time of His coming did.

 

Actually, we do in spite of efforts to prove the opposite:

http://www.biblicaljesus.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/basics.tour/ID/2/Historical-Jesus.htm

And no, if you want to consistently claim that God does not exist, and butt into conversations between believers with your message, it is your burden to prove He does not. Contrary to your comment, only a child would believe that a "Flying Spaghetti Monster" exists. The question becomes why do you spend so much time trying to prove God does not exist? Does a belief in God somehow offend you?

 

What reality did you show?
And adults know what all the myths are. Yet you see to miss one.

 

No one spends time proving god doesn't exist. Just like no one is trying to prove the FSM or santa doesn't exist.

 

I see. You are not here then spending time trying to prove your point.

 

The reality that you cannot prove God does not exist. The reality that you spend much time trying to prove the unprovable. The reality that you, like Madeline O'Hare, will continue to try to eliminate Christianity from the public sphere.

I missed what? The knowledge that even if there is no God I still "win" since I have lost nothing?

"If there is no God, then all that exists is time and chance acting on matter. If this is true then the difference between your thoughts and mine correspond to the difference between shaking up a bottle of Mountain Dew and a bottle of Dr. Pepper. You simply fizz atheistically and I fizz theistically. This means that you do not hold to atheism because it is true , but rather because of a series of chemical reactions… … Morality, tragedy, and sorrow are equally evanescent. They are all empty sensations created by the chemical reactions of the brain, in turn created by too much pizza the night before. If there is no God, then all abstractions are chemical epiphenomena, like swamp gas over fetid water. This means that we have no reason for assigning truth and falsity to the chemical fizz we call reasoning or right and wrong to the irrational reaction we call morality. If no God, mankind is a set of bi-pedal carbon units of mostly water. And nothing else."

~ Douglas Wilson

If there is no God what is the purpose for our existence? And how/why were we created?

 

Well, where is he?

 

I've never tried to prove god doesn't exist. Like you won't try to prove FSM or santa doesn't exist.

Christianity if being erased from the public sphere, is because, our constitution give freedom of religion and the gov't won't pick and choose. So if christianity get's to be in the public sphere, so do the 1000s of other religions. That is just to much religion to make available and to accommodate.
So, in the public sphere, it is better to not allow any, for if one is allowed, then all have to be allowed and we don't have that much public space to accommodate them all.
But you are free to keep you religions and practice how you wish in private.

PS - having freed myself from the shackles of religion, has given me greater insight to all of mankind. I've lost nothing, and gained a whole lot.
While you gain nothing while alive and the same as me while dead.