Jews Don’t Have a Right to Palestine

Buddy, the history of the Roman Province of Judea/Syria Palestina is historic fact.
Bar Kokhba revolt? A real thing, documented fact.
The 70AD war before that? Real thing.

Both times? War slaves taken. A plethora of them. Where did those slaves get sent? IDK why don't you ask Emperor HADRIAN (as in Hadrian's wall as in dude was pretty active in Europe and if he had war slaves guess where he'd need them? Europe)
There were also refugees and exiles. I know you don't LIKE this, but its a fact.

And if what you're saying is there is no record of the Canaanites being wiped out, but no one can find them and now the Jews live there: Where do you think they went? They were either destroyed or assimilated, making it STILL the Jews homeland and not the arabs.

Hey guess what else? Want to know what happened after the revolt? The Jewish people who were not killed, displaced voluntarily, or displaced involuntarily, remained. Guess where? IN PALESTINE. Over the centuries, guess what? There were more displacements and killings, some voluntary migration etc. That only ADDS to the claim, it doesn't detract from it.

As to the rest: The brits owned palestine so they can give it to whomever they want to.
And I seem to recall the nation of israel beating the **** out of 7 arab nations so hard after a surprise war that we actually had to tell them to knock it off because we weren't interested in watching them **** a pile of corpses

 

That's pretty much the philosophy of Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin and Hideki Tojo. Neo fascists share your view too.

 

When an advanced society encounters a barbaric society, there's going to be a winner and a loser. That's life.

If we're ever invaded by an alien species from space, odds are that humanity will disappear. That's horribly sad, but that's the way it is.

 

I am curious about your definition of 'barbarism' and how you differentiate so as to exclude the United States and Israel?

 

The myth of exile. Romans did not exile the Jews from Israel. Fact.

 

Well, the Native Americans of the Western Hemisphere conducted human sacrifices. I'd say that's barbaric.

 

It's been that way since forever. Besides, the holy land has changed hands a number of times over the centuries. Letting jews keep it is better than muslims.

 

Absolutely none of this is a legitimate argument for the Israeli ethnic cleansing of Palestine, the theft of personal property and it's capture of territory by force - which are all absolutely illegal by international law established by the USA and allies.

 

You really want to trade barbarisms and sell this idea that we were especially careful to only decimate those particular tribes ? I am acquainted with American history. Now try another approach to the question. How do you differentiate?

 

The usa and allies are quite fine with it.

 

"The Jews" as in all of them? No. Did the romans exile Judean citizens (ie Jews) after the 70ad war and the Bar Kohkba revolt? Yes, they did. They also enslaved a goodly number and then sent them abroad as SLAVES never free to simply return. That's essentially exile as well.

Then there were the refugees that fled the initial fighting, the refugees that fled after the fighting, and the all the people forcibly displaced as the more top down government took over and the classic roman corruption took place.

 

The U.S. saved the world from hell in the 20th century and is responsible for most our modern technology. We are the last, best hope of mankind. Believe me, you don't want to live in a world dominated by Russia or China.

But you go on believing your slanted view of history.

 

Depends on the administration, but the Trump administration certainly is.

 

Do Americans have a right to America? I will give you a hint to my rebuttal: Native Americans.

 

As to the rest: The brits owned palestine so they can give it to whomever they want to.
And I seem to recall the nation of israel beating the **** out of 7 arab nations so hard after a surprise war that we actually had to tell them to knock it off because we weren't interested in watching them **** a pile of corpses

Golan Heights are fair and square dude, and frankly so is the rest of it. The arabs took issue, all of them, together, and they ALL got their collective asses kicked by one tiny nation. So bad was that ass kicking that we had to ask them to stop.
I'd say that's pretty much square biz.

 

They may object vocally, but actions is what count... they're fine with it.

 

You are one arrogant American. I think you need to spend to some time talking to the victims we left behind our imperialist and corporatist marches.

 

Here is what you wrote,

No exile. Fact.

 

I mean, except for the fact that some were exiled and others enslaved and then sent off to Europe, sure.

 

The problem, though, is that you are trying to reason with someone who learned the Politically Correct leftist version of world history; and so there is very little by way of shared knowledge base.

 

No Rome did not do Exile.

 

No one is forcing you to stay in the US, are they? If you're so unhappy, you can move to the Palestinian territory and run for office with Hamas.

 

Except 1. I did not say I was unhappy. 2. there are plenty of ways to solve such a problem. 3. My question was directed at someone who claimed to know which people and countries were barbaric and which were not.

 

That doesn't make it legal.

It also doesn't make it moral.

We have NO excuse for supporting Israel's theft of property and possessions from individuals.

Besides that, we have no excuse for allowing them to extend their borders by force - which is also illegal.

 

One of the main tenets we included in international law is that nations may not extend their borders by use of force.

The fact that Israel stole land from Palestinians is a legitimate cause of war. The fact that they lost does NOT mean Israel gets to capture Palestine.

The standing agreement is the 1967 border. Israel has continued capturing land, stealing private property from individuals and adding it to its concept of some new border of Israel. This breaks numerous laws.

Let's remember that if a border is changed, it means that those within that border become full citizens of the new country in which they reside - there is NEVER an excuse for ethnic cleansing.

Israel has continued a state of war against Gaza and West Bank. The fact that Palestinians occasionally oppose by some ineffectual rockets is not an excuse for ANY policy other than Israel recognizing the 1967 border.