Jim Jordan calls this a pre-determined impeachment, tensions near boiling point

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  1. Boilermaker55

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    Where is this sycophants outrage over
    "Lindsey Graham Says He Won’t Read Impeachment Testimony Transcripts"
     
  2. mamooth

    mamooth Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    See? More dishonest fascist-style propaganda from you.

    Mussolini was a socialist ... in 1912. He openly denounced the socialists in 1917, and became a right-wing fascist instead.

    Why did you try to deceive everyone by pretending that Mussolini was still a socialist after 1917?

    Do you have any regrets over trying to deceive us, or do you only regret getting exposed and humiliated?

    Given that you tried to deceive everyone, why shouldn't we assume that everything else you say is also a deliberate lie? Because at the moment, everyone does assume that.

    Again, go peddle your historical revisionism to your fellow cultists, the only people dumb and corrupt enough to pretend to believe it. Your fascist-style propaganda is up there with holocaust denial in its level of dishonest historical revisionism.

    Notice how even your fellow Trump cultists won't jump up on this stupid wagon with you? That should give you some indication of how disgusting you look to everyone.
     
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    He denounced International Socialism and Communism same as Hitler. They were all for Socialism and were both Socialists, but but only within their own ethnostates.

    Fascism is a blend of
    1) Totalitarianism related to anticommunism and Jewish -Bolshevism
    2) Socialism to aid the people and workers.

    Hint. National SOCIALIST German WORKERS Party
     
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    mamooth Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Even FOX News won't push your "Fascism is left-wing!" nonsense any more. They were humiliated too badly when they tried once before. The exception is Hannity, who is beyond caring about humiliation.

    We do see your goal here. You want to implement your fascist utopia here. However, you know moral people don't like fascism. So, you declare that your fascism isn't really fascism, because fascism is left-wing, and being right-wing, you clearly can't be fascist.

    It doesn't work. Everyone sees through it, and you get laughed at.

    Own your fascism. Being a proud fascist is better than being a weasel fascist.
     
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    mamooth Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you see even a single Democrat worrying about that?

    Here's a hint as to why. If you're not a criminal, you don't have to worry about testifying.

    In contrast, your side's entire legal defense is to prevent everyone from testifying. Why do you think that is?
     
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    Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2]characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy[3] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[4] The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before spreading to other European countries.[4] Opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[4][5][6]

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    Benito Mussolini (left) and Adolf Hitler(right), the fascist leaders of the Kingdom of Italy and Nazi Germany, respectively. “

    What now ? Now that you have put your ignorance on display, what do you do for an encore ?
     
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    Fascism is Right and Left wing...... Do you know what the word BLEND means???? Right wing in its racial and political philosophy, left wing in its economic policy.... Do you understand??

    And just because I know what fascism is doesn't make me one.
     
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    So what was the National Socialist economic policy since you seem to know more about this than I do? Did the state take over industries? Check? Were wage and price controls set? Check. Were the banks nationalized? Check. Were public welfare programs in place? Check. Were large public works projects est? Check. Healthcare? Check.

    If National Socialsm's economic policy wasnt socialism what is it? Not Capitalism.
     
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    The truth can't be found by people controlled by a blind hatred, and yes there's blind hatred for Trump in spite of Pelosi laughably trying to deny it.
     
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    Many who are emotionally in thrall to Fake Don need to project emotion onto folks who have a rational attitude toward him.

    His refusal to testify under oath, his need to gag Bolton, McGahn, Mulvaney, Perry, Pompeo, etc., and to hide documents that might provide greater clarity concerning his Ukraine caper, are indicative of his desperate need to hide the truth. Even die hard Trumpers must be able to grasp that at some level.

    The meme that has been issued for Trumpers to parrot - that Democrats have been hellbent on reversing the 2016 election is nonsensical. Many Americans approve of his being impeached based upon the evidence, but virtually all recognize that the Republican Senate will not remove him from office.

    In the meantime, Americans are having more exposed than would have been otherwise (despite Fake Don's need to hide as much as he can.)

    Knowledge is good.
     
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    mamooth Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    By that standard, communism is both right wing and left wing, and therefore those on the right embrace communism.

    When you try to make words mean whatever you want, they end up meaning nothing.
     
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    LOL it's fun to debate with liberal revisionists because we get to expose them for the frauds that they are. As an economic system, fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer.

    In a speech in November 1933 (translated in George Seldes's 1935 Sawdust Caesar, p. 426), Mussolini said, “Corporationism is above socialism and above liberalism. A new synthesis is created. It is a symptomatic fact that the decadence of capitalism coincides with the decadence of socialism. ... Corporative solutions can be applied anywhere.
    ― Benito Mussolini

    The Fascist State directs and controls the entrepreneurs, whether it be in our fisheries or in our heavy industry in the Val d'Aosta. There the State actually owns the mines and carries on transport, for the railways are state property. So are many of the factories… We term it state intervention… If anything fails to work properly, the State intervenes. The capitalists will go on doing what they are told, down to the very end. They have no option and cannot put up any fight. Capital is not God; it is only a means to an end.
    • As quoted in Talks with Mussolini, Emil Ludwig, Boston, MA, Little, Brown and Company (1933), pp. 153-154, Interview took place between March 23 and April 4, 1932
    • Yet the Fascist State is unique, and an original creation. It is not reactionary, but revolutionary, in that it anticipates the solution of the universal political problems which elsewhere have to be settled in the political field by the rivalry of parties, the excessive power of the Parliamentary regime and the irresponsibility of political assemblies.
      • As quoted in “The Political and Social Doctrine of Fascism”, Jane Soames translator, Hogarth Press, London, authorized edition (1933) p. 23
    The term "revolutionary" in political science is typically associated with left wing ideology and the desire to change society for the greater good, i.e. a rebellion from conservative ideological norms and culture in exchange for new ideas

    The term "reactionary" in political science describes points of view and policies meant to restore a past status quo. Typically associated with right wing, conservative political movements.

    Generally speaking, you have everything a** backwards.

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    Right wing calls for smaller gov, so no. I guess it depends where you put using police to control the populace. If it is right wing then yes Communism is left and right wing. But I think most Conservatives would say they prefer a small gov with a bill of rights. The problem has been that radicals try to destroy the system which requires more policing of the radicals.

    The problem in defining either is they don't fit into the left-right model. Anyone who puts fascism or communism purely on one side has oversimplified it.

    That model may apply to American politics today, but not to European politics in the 30s .
     
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    He should not do anything. Democrats have no cause, their whole story is stupid.
    I am not big fan of Trump, but that attempt to impeach president for no reason, is kind of frightening.
    That means this country is doomed, it is time to withdraw all the assets and run.
    The only person who Trump should investigate in Ukraine was Biden, because Biden was in charge of whole US-Ukraine relationship during Obama presidency.
     
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    Thats nice and all but you still didnt answer the question and when the liberals are angry or reject my ideas, I know I've given them a dose of the truth that they just cant handle... The more slanderous they get the more I've hit the mark. LOL it only serves to strengthen my position when your collective heads explode due to truth bombs. Pun intended, but you probably wont get it :)

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    Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr., world famous historian, did not connect fascism with right wing ideology

    However, Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr. saw little conservative influence within fascist ideology or its movement, writing: "Fascists were not conservative in any very meaningful sense… The Fascists, in a meaningful sense, were revolutionaries".[222] In his 1933 English-translated "Political and Social Doctrine of Fascism", Mussolini argued that the Fascist state is an "original creation", maintaining that Fascism "is not reactionary, but revolutionary".[223] Fascists of Italy and Germany opposed the traditional constituents of conservatism, which included the monarchy, the Church and Jewish-financed capitalism, alongside "disdain for bourgeois values",[70] while upholding the Volksgemeinschaft concept of self-sacrifice that was to bring about "social equality".[224] After 1930, the "nationalist-conservative Right" turned hostile to the Nazis, portraying Hitler as a "wild and vulgar demagogue, not a statesman, an obstacle to political recovery, the head of an extremist movement with menacing socialistic tendencies".[225] Hitler enshrined his collectivist ethos under the slogan of the "common good before the individual good", which was stamped on Nazi Germany's coinage

    Source:
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    Might want to look up Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.
    He was one of the most respected historians of his day. Mr. Schlesinger was certainly no uneducated and delusional keyboard warrior, he is the real deal, nothing but substance, a political genius. Educated at Harvard.

    Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.
     
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    Why do these alt-right tough guys have cosmetic surgery all the time?

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    I have no idea, but some of your democratic women could certainly benefit from a face lift / plastic surgery. Plus it's a good way to mask the evil written all over their faces

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    List is old, but the only thing thats happened since is republican women have aged beautifully, and conversely their democratic counterparts have aged poorly and gotten more ugly.
     
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    And I just wanted to make sure you know the quote for the first meme is word for word straight from Mussolini, verbatim.

    "For this I have been and am a socialist. The accusation of inconsistency has no foundation. My conduct has always been straight in the sense of looking at the substance of things and not to the form. I adapted socialisticamente to reality."

    -----Benito Mussolini
     
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    I've got to go to some Christmas fair thingie. But shouldn't you focus on what someone does as opposed to what he says?
     
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    You choose to ignore the facts that have been exposed, and swallow the lies.

    There is no evidence whatever of Biden engaging in Ukrainian corruption in any way.

    Trump's desperate measures to hide the truth speak for themselves.
     
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    If this is your feeble attempt at a rebuttal Im going to laugh. Benito Mussolini was a revolutionary, and his actions reflect this.
     
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    I am totally unaware what republicans were saying
    All I know.
    Is government in Ukraine corrupt? - Yes.
    Was Biden sent to Ukraine by Obama - Yes.
    Was Biden responsible for handling all the matters related to American assistance to Ukraine - Yes.
    Did Biden requested to fire prosecutor who was leading the investigation of Hunter Biden - Yes.
    So!
    Any president had to find out how Biden was involved in this matter, and hold on the assistance until the issue is resolved.
    It was mandatory to investigate where the money of American taxpayers went.

    Yes Trump should hide anything he can from Democrats, because Democrats are just crazy.
     
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    You seem confused.

    Biden had advocated for the dismissal of the corrupt prosecutor, Shokin, as one aspect of US policy. The European Union, the International Monetary Fund, and democratic reformers in Ukraine were also demanding his dismissal.

    Shokin had let the investigation of Burisma lapse. That was one instance of his corruption.

    The Trump regime had cleared the allocated aid for Ukraine based upon its progress in eliminating corruption under Zelensky.

    There is no evidence whatever of corruption concerning Biden or his son, not contrived by the Trump regime's vast investigative resources, not by Ukraine, not by China (whom Trump had also solicited to dig up dirt on an American citizen to damage his political rival.)

    It is your hyper-partisan irrationality that appears deranged.

    Does Trump need to hide the truth, and so, refuses to testify under oath, gags those in-the-know from doing so, and conceals documentation that might provide clarity?

    Clearly. If the truth served his agenda, he would not be hellbent on hiding it.
     
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    I just thought I would share some video evidence since you claim Biden did nothing wrong...



    In 2016 Ukrainian Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin, in his investigation of corruption involving Burisma Holdings, a natural gas company, identified Hunter Biden as the recipient of over $3,000,000 from the company. Not wanting this corruption exposed, Joe Biden swung into action, using US loan guarantees as hostage while demanding Skokin be fired. Amazingly, Joe Biden now brags about his actions in this matter.

    The liberals skirt this issue by claiming Shokin was horribly corrupt and needed to be fired, so Joe Biden was doing a good thing, after all.

    They claim that Shokin was NOT fired for looking into Burisma but for corruption charges.

    The liberals claim the aid was delivered after Trump learned of the whistleblower complaint. Trump has a right to withhold any FREE aid he wants.

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