FoxHastings said: ↑ Then so do ALL the "Christian " Catholics who are still Catholic....shame on them....and shame on him.... "Good for" people who support child rapists and those who protect them??? Really?
That priests would commit such sins is a sad testimony to our fallen society. It doesn't mean though that a person can't release themselves from sin through the act of repentance, and thereby opening their heart to God's Grace and the compassion and love that goes with it. Darkness reigns without the light, with souls a-wandering in the night, of pagan lusts, barbarity, of malice, harm and cruelty. We pray that there will be a day when evil such, will slide away and man finds that he's free once more with hatred's gone and also war.- Jeannette
FoxHastings said: ↑ But the Church LOVES giving communion, sanctuary, help, aid to CHILD RAPISTS...…..sick and twisted ?, you bet! LOL! What a load of poppycock! So it's OK with the Church if priests rape as long as they repent...ya, I knew that long ago how they wriggle out of everything they do wrong and damn the consequences.. ....it's quite sickening what they do to actual BORN, feeling, children...and how they excuse it... Your sermon doesn't refute one word of my post.
I don't care what the circumstances were they should not deny Joe Biden. That's all I'm going to say.
Why would such a 'devout' Xtian use an image invoking a pagan rite in their self-righteous screed? Just sayin'...
I did not misrepresent what you said - you stated you were against secularism - because what God says doesn't matter. Don't blame me that you don't know the meaning of words you use. If you are against secularism -- then where should the authority of Gov't come from ?
Yes - in part - The main principle of Jesus - The Rock" on which Jesus bases his teachings - my favorite verse in the Bible - Matt 7:12 "do unto others as you would have done to you - the rest is just commentary" Rabbi Hillel 110 BC - 10 CE Jesus says it slightly different " do unto others as you would have done to you , this rule sums up the Law and the Prophets" and here we have a union of Secularism and Wisdom - a wisdom that exists in almost every other religious text - Buddha, Hindu Mohammed, and so on. Confucius also had this rule .. as did Hamurrabi's law code 1800 BC - Babylon - and presumably what ever religious text they were using.. The Social Contract is based on the Golden Rule as are the founding principles. So if most religious thought in the world - in present - and past .. like 4000 years ago minimum .. like this rule .. and Secularism is based on this rule - There should be nothing to argue about regardless of which direction one is coming from.
my favorite verse in the Bible - Matt 7:12 Correction - Proverbs somewhere - "better to sleep on the roof than inside with a nagging wife" its a toss up.
which comes from where - God or the people ? If not "Secularism" = the people - then where ? Where does the authority to make law come from - A) God B) the people. (Secularism) God is in the founding principles ... but does not convey authority to make law. God - in the founding principles - restricts the authority of Gov't - it gives no power to make law. God is there to say what laws can't be made - no authority was given to Gov't to make law messing with "Essential Liberty" It was however the people that put in this bar - not God. When it comes to making law - say a law banning abortion - Gov't has no authority to make that law based on the "God's authority" - or any other law. "God says so" is simply not considered in the equation - the bar is overwhelming majority - of the people.
You don't listen very well. I've explained this many times. I am not sure i want to do it again. Maybe I'll get back to you tomorrow.
So you are suggestion he should become godless like most on the left? He might as well. Everyone is coming out of the closet.
The Founders presented our rights come from God. In out Constitutional Government they shall not be trifled with. The secular godless imply the collective government dispenses rights as they see fit. This is something we have gone to war over and undoubtedly we will again.
You keep making a claims that contradict each other .. rather than correcting your initial claim - you backtrack all over the map - rather than answer the simple question with respect to making Law. Does authority come from 1) "God" - or 2) "We the People" Secularism If you say no to "God" then it is secularism. You can't have both and you were - and still are - trying to conflate the two. Hopefully now you understand the definition of Secularism better.
Both Secular and Theocratic Gov'ts dispense with "essential liberty" as they see fit. We have a secular system that enshrines "essential liberty" that puts Essential liberty "ABOVE" the legitimate authority of Gov't . This means that Gov't has no legitimate authority to make "any law" that messes with individual liberty - never mind make such law based on religious belief . This is more of a "Negative Law" a rule that says what Gov't cant do .. has no authority to do because the people have not given Gov't that authority. The authority that Gov't does have - the "Legitimate Authority of Gov't" -comes from the people .. not God. The whole point of this clause in the DOI is to state that the authority of Gov't does not come from God .. as "Divine Right" - (authority coming from God) - had been the case in the recent past of the founders ... and the stories of the horrors of this form of Gov't were fresh in their minds. Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one-half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth. -- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781-82 Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind. -- John Adams, "A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America" (1787-88 ) , from Adrienne Koch, ed, The American Enlightenment: The Shaping of the American Experiment and a Free Society (1965) p. 258 As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?-- John Adams, letter to FA Van der Kamp, December 27, 1816 When philosophic reason is clear and certain by intuition or necessary induction, no subsequent revelation supported by prophecies or miracles can supersede it.-- John Adams, from Rufus K Noyes, Views of Religion, quoted from from James A Haught, ed, 2000 Years of Disbelief
Not from a Catholic Church. To receive Communion at a Catholic Church requires that you profess that you are Catholic.
YUP! BIDEN DENIED COMMUNION IN SOUTH CAROLINA This is a local news story that was pointed out to me by a friend: “Joe Biden denied Holy Communion at Florence church.” That is Florence, South Carolina: Former Vice President Joe Biden, a candidate for the Democratic nomination in the 2020 presidential race, was denied Holy Communion on Sunday morning at a Florence church. Father Robert E. Morey of Saint Anthony Catholic Church confirmed Monday afternoon that he had denied the presidential candidate Holy Communion because of his stance on abortion. Biden, a lifelong Catholic, had attended the church’s 9 a.m. Mass. “Sadly, this past Sunday, I had to refuse Holy Communion to former Vice President Joe Biden,” Morey told the Morning News via email. “Holy Communion signifies we are one with God, each other and the Church. Our actions should reflect that. Any public figure who advocates for abortion places himself or herself outside of Church teaching.” “I will keep Mr. Biden in my prayers,” Morey added.
So much wrong here.. but I'll pick on two parts. 1. We have a representative government not secular. We however have restrictions on our government to not establish a religion, make no laws concerning any religious establishment or hinder people's free practice of religion. 2. The declaration of independence is explicit and crystal clear. Our rights are endowed to us by our creator. Now i don't care if you think that creator is Jesus Christ or the evolutionary process but the the declaration demands that our rights do not come from government or other people. Our rights are not of the people by the people and for the people . They exist because they exist.. To suggest our rights are given by government you open those rights to be changed by the people. That concept is abhorrent to the constitution . That is an ideology worth dying to fight against. The constitution is a document that describes how government is to be restrained.
No need to go further - Authority of Gov't and law is granted via "consent of the Governed" = Secularism. You are lost - and up a creek without a paddle on this one. Correct = secularism Congress should not establish a religion, and enforce the legal observation of it by law, nor compel men to worship God in any Manner contrary to their conscience.-- James Madison, explaining to Congress during the House Debate what the First Amendment means to him, 1 Annals of Congress 730 (August 15, 1789), That his conception of "establishment" was quite broad is revealed in his veto as President in 1811 of a bill which in granting land reserved a parcel for a Baptist Church in Salem, Mississippi (directly above this entry) No legal enforcement of religious belief = "Secularism" Correct - but as stated to you numerous times already - this says what law Gov't has no legitimate authority to make - It does not convey any authority to make any law messing with individual liberty - never mind on the basis of religious belief = Secularism.
